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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #645 on: August 13, 2008, 03:19:02 PM »
MLRS at the populated city.

Georgian TV showed it boasting they "restore order" in S.O.

That's where I started this thread.

Firing those rockets does not in itself constitute genocide. If those rockets were being fired at separatists that were firing at Georgian positions, that certainly is not genocide since in this scenario they are being aimed at military targets.

Definition of genocide. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide
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Main Entry:
    geno·cide Listen to the pronunciation of genocide
Pronunciation:
    \ˈje-nə-ˌsīd\
Function:
    noun
Date:
    1944

: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
— geno·cid·al Listen to the pronunciation of genocidal \ˌje-nə-ˈsī-dəl\ adjective

We have seen no evidence of any deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political or cultural group in South Ossetia.....at least not by the Georgians. The Ossets themselves have been accused of burning entire Georgian villages that lie within the boundaries of the South Ossetia province. Those reports come from Swedish reporters.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #646 on: August 13, 2008, 03:19:14 PM »
Remember how you guys annexed Texas from above mentioned Mexico?

What you guys, do you speak about? The United States had no part in Texas breaking from Mexico. It was a revolution of settlers and Mexican citizens living in Texas. This occured after Santa Anna declared himself Dictator of Mexico. The result was the establishment of The Republic of Texas. Which joined the United States of it's own free will some nine years later.  

                                                               THE DECLARATION OF CAUSES

"Whereas, General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, and other military chieftains, have, by force of arms overthrown the federal institutions of Mexico, and dissolved the social compact which existed between Texas and the other members of the Mexican confederacy; now the good people of Texas, availing themselves of their natural rights, Solemnly Declare:”
"That they have taken up arms in defence of their rights and liberties, which were threatened by the encroachments of military despots, and in defence of the republican principles of the federal constitution of Mexico, 1824.”
"That Texas is no longer morally or civilly bound by the compact of union; yet, stimulated by the generosity and sympathy common to free people, they offer their support and assistance to such members of the Mexican confederacy as will take up arms against military despotism.”
"That they hold it to be their right during the disorganization of the federal system, and the reign of despotism, to withdraw from the union, and to establish an independent government."
This document was created in justification of the Texan actions which were to follow. The Declaration of Causes was to convince the Federalists that the Texans only desired to preserve the Mexican Constitution of 1824 and to justify the Texan actions to the rest of the world.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #647 on: August 13, 2008, 03:19:59 PM »
 
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Inasmuch as what you've said about Putin is true, I would point out that in Russia, He's pretty popular.
Yes I dont doubt Putin is very popular in Russia. In fact I'll bet you could go there and not find one Russian who says anything bad about him. I bet the same goes for the Chinese leadership if you went to China. Or Cuba, or Syria, North Korea, or a hundred other places none of us go to.

Thats pretty amazing aint it? :huh

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Your the first Russian Ive ever seen do it. I assumed I never see Russians cause they are afraid of posting due to Govt. censors.

Course your probably a 15 yo kid from Kokomo IN. pretending your a Russian anyways. :lol
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #648 on: August 13, 2008, 03:20:45 PM »
Simple question boroda.

Why didn't the russian military stop at the south osetian border? If the position was to protect the dual citizen georgia/russia population, than why did they cross into mainland georgia?



Because they have also stated they wish to punish the Georgian president and put him on trial.

Russia has been angry with Georgia because of its pro-western stance.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #649 on: August 13, 2008, 03:21:09 PM »
It;s our own business, no one should "advise" Russia on a question of citizenship.

i doubt you will gain any plus on this forum Boroda ;)
but your not alone', i think you are right on this topic.

So many talk here about "attacked a  sovereign nation"
using this words and still having an own war running,
who even started as "attacking a sovereign nation", sorry but its laughable.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #650 on: August 13, 2008, 03:21:14 PM »
Simple question boroda.

Why didn't the russian military stop at the south osetian border? If the position was to protect the dual citizen georgia/russia population, than why did they cross into mainland georgia?

If they didn't stop - I have to say they're wrong.

So far Russian Military provides humanitarian aid to Gori and Georgian villages.

I don't watch TV, just listening to pro-Western radio station, echo.msk.ru

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #651 on: August 13, 2008, 03:25:24 PM »
i doubt you will gain any plus on this forum Boroda ;)
but your not alone', i think you are right on this topic.

So many talk here about "attacked a  sovereign nation"
using this words and still having an own war running,
who even started as "attacking a sovereign nation", sorry but its laughable.


Start your own thread, this one is ours.  :D
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« Reply #652 on: August 13, 2008, 03:27:13 PM »
  Yes I dont doubt Putin is very popular in Russia. In fact I'll bet you could go there and not find one Russian who says anything bad about him. I bet the same goes for the Chinese leadership if you went to China. Or Cuba, or Syria, North Korea, or a hundred other places none of us go to.

Thats pretty amazing aint it? :huh
 Your the first Russian Ive ever seen do it. I assumed I never see Russians cause they are afraid of posting due to Govt. censors.

Course your probably a 15 yo kid from Kokomo IN. pretending your a Russian anyways. :lol


I am not a big fan of Putin and his gang of crooks.

He is quite popular here though.

I was born in Leningrad, in 1972. I posted my street address here for Hangtime. I live in Moscow, Russian Federation now. Respectable Moderators here can check my IP address, it's Acado cable provider.

My phone is turned off now, don't bother calling me.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #653 on: August 13, 2008, 03:30:06 PM »
Quo licit Jovi non licit bovi ???

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #654 on: August 13, 2008, 03:30:27 PM »
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My phone is turned off now, don't bother calling me.

You should turn it back on. That way we can pull crank calls on you at all hours of the night.  :devil  :rock
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« Reply #655 on: August 13, 2008, 03:39:51 PM »
You should turn it back on. That way we can pull crank calls on you at all hours of the night.  :devil  :rock

Got enough SIP calls this morning. Thanks.

Going to bed now.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #656 on: August 13, 2008, 03:40:20 PM »
If they didn't stop - I have to say they're wrong.



I think that it could have been handled differently.

I know your not on the front lines, your in front of your computer like me, but i really see putin isloating russia again, and causing alot of problems for you and your people in the future.  

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #657 on: August 13, 2008, 03:42:17 PM »
So, you feel you are entitled to go into any sovereign nation, hand a portion of the population passports, claim them as citizens, and then invade that sovereign nation on their behalf?



Thank you, it was also nice watching boroda go from ignorance to arrogance now to downright One sided blind justification.
now your down to the "BECAUSE WE CAN, DAH VODKA!" side of the opinion boroda.

Love the mindset. :rock

Oh boy.. WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Wednesday he is dispatching U.S. military personnel to Georgia in a "vigorous and ongoing" mission to provide humanitarian aid to victims of the fighting between Russian and Georgian troops.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/13/us.russia.diplomacy/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #658 on: August 13, 2008, 03:48:20 PM »
Got enough SIP calls this morning. Thanks.

Going to bed now.

Aww darn.....I wanted to call you at 2AM to advise you to go urinate, then go back to sleep. Then call you again at 3AM and ask you what you were doing up so early?   :devil
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #659 on: August 13, 2008, 04:42:16 PM »
What's missing here?

Several Euro's/Canadians have taken the view that the Russians have done no more to Georgia than the US did to Iraq. Point being we can't castigate the Russians for this because in the view of the Euros/Canadians, the US did the same thing.

What's missing?

These very same Euro's/Canadians condemned the US move into Iraq.

Haven't seen them condemn the Russian move into Georgia, have you? In fact, they seem to be cheering the Russians on.

Tells you everything right there.
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