South Osetia under attack

[Russian]

One thing has become clear now; The Russians' have advanced into Gori, in defiance of the cease-fire.

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1) Russian armor never entered Gori.
2) Russian news said that Gori, as of 5 hours ago, given back to Georgian police.
3) Russia will stay few days in Georgia to see what happens, especially since "Bush's Lap-Dog" still refuses 6 point of peace agreement.

[RedTop]

Ok. Here's some of the latest from the White House:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia

Which leads me right back to my point....No one can do much of anything outside of token aid....if the U.S. pushes the issue hard...it could escalate WAY out of control.....Same for euros.

Basically.....just as I think.....Russia has free reign.

[Maniac]

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1) Russian armor never entered Gori.

Russian troops have entered Gori. And thats final. What does it matter if its Armor or not?

[Russian]

Russian troops have entered Gori. And thats final. What does it matter if its Armor or not?

Big difference. Thankfully city was empty of Georgian forces so no fighting took place within. Also those special forces took that city before yesterday. (before temp peace agreement)                   

[Maniac]

Tell me about the difference, i would like to know.

Also those special forces took that city before yesterday. (before temp peace agreement)

They took Gori 2 days ago?

[FrodeMk3]

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1) Russian armor never entered Gori.

Russian BMP Infantry fighting vehicles are there now. Just because they don't happen to be T-80's is simply semantics. It's an offensive force, occupying a City of a sovereign nation.
2) Russian news said that Gori, as of 5 hours ago, given back to Georgian police.

Probably disinformation.
3) Russia will stay few days in Georgia to see what happens, especially since "Bush's Lap-Dog" still refuses 6 point of peace agreement.

They signed on the 2nd day of this thing. Georgia was pushing for it. It's Russia that doesn't want any peace agreement, unless it's handy for a temporary cease-fire to resupply. Then, It's off to the Tbilisi race again.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

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1) Russian armor never entered Gori.
2) Russian news said that Gori, as of 5 hours ago, given back to Georgian police.
3) Russia will stay few days in Georgia to see what happens, especially since "Bush's Lap-Dog" still refuses 6 point of peace agreement.

So, ARMOR never entered Gori, but RUSSIAN TROOPS did. CLEAR VIOLATION of the ceasefire agreement Russia agreed to. And they want GEORGIA to accept and abide by a peace agreement written by RUSSIA?????

They are close to the capitol (if not in) and they have taken the largest port city and wrecked Georgia's coast guard. More clear violations of the same ceasefire agreement, as well as a ridiculous over reach of the supposedly "legitimate goal" of the Russian action.

And the Russians expect anyone to accept a "peace agreement" they author?

[FrodeMk3]

This may be one of the reasons' why we haven't seen much of an American response...

The Pentagon also is considering what kind of ship to send to support the humanitarian mission, should it be ordered to send one, an order that Pentagon officials said hadn't yet been given.

Naval officials said the kind of ship sent would signal U.S. intentions. Among the options are the USS Comfort, a hospital ship docked in Baltimore , or one of several destroyers stationed in the Mediterranean. The Black Sea, on which Georgia's coast lies, is too shallow for an American aircraft carrier.

I pulled that out of a McClatchy story. It makes sense, after a fashion now. We can't physically get a CV into the Black sea.

[Russian]

1) Are they? Are you sure? Because people that live there say differently. Also, I didn't see them from numerous western journalists, even before two journalists got killed by georgian fire. All I see is same one column of BMPs on a road that every western news source shows. They have been showing same footage for past 24 hours....

2) I can say same thing about anything CNN shows right now. At least FOX / BBC tried to show other side of this.

3) They can sign many things, but georgian forces are still attacking.

[Elfie]

Russia protects it's citizens.

You quoted a text that proves my point.

Dismissed. Next please.

I didn't see this post earlier.....

First, you said....

Remember how you guys annexed Texas from above mentioned Mexico?

Then I posted:

    Main articles: Texas Revolution, Republic of Texas, and Texas Annexation

The Convention of 1832 and the Convention of 1833 were responses to rising unrest at policies of the Mexican government. Delegates feared the end of duty-free imports from the United States and the threat of ending slavery.[38] In 1835, Antonio López de Santa Anna, President of Mexico, created a unified constitution for Mexico which created a centralized government with power concentrated in the President, and turned states into provinces with governors appointed from Mexico City.[38] States around Mexico rebelled against this imposition, including Chihuahua, Zacatecas and Yucatan. Of note was the Centralista forces' brutal suppression of dissidents in Zacatecas.[39] Texans also resented policies such as the forcible disarmament of settlers, and the expulsion of immigrants and legal landowners originally from the United States.
Republic of Texas. The present-day outlines of the U.S. states are superimposed on the boundaries of 1836–1845
Republic of Texas. The present-day outlines of the U.S. states are superimposed on the boundaries of 1836–1845

On 2 March 1836, the Convention of 1836 signed a Declaration of Independence.[40][41] On 21 April 1836, the Texans—led by General Sam Houston—won their independence at the Battle of San Jacinto. Santa Anna's capture led to the Treaties of Velasco. Mexico repudiated the treaties and vowed to reconquer Texas. Later in 1836, the Texans adopted a constitution that formally legalized slavery. The Republic of Texas included the area of the present state of Texas, and additional unoccupied territory to the west and northwest.[39]

Most Texans wanted their Republic to be annexed into the United States. Events such as the Dawson Massacre and two recaptures of Béxar in Texas of 1842 added momentum to the desire for statehood.[42] However, strong abolitionist opposition to adding a slave state blocked Texas's admission until pro-annexation James K. Polk won the election of 1844. On December 29, 1845, Texas was admitted to the U.S. as a constituent state of the Union.[43] The Mexican–American War followed, with decisive victories by the U.S.[44] Texas's boundaries were set at their present form after the Compromise of 1850. Land which later became half of present day New Mexico, a third of Colorado, and small portions of Kansas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming, was ceded for the federal government's assumption of $10 million of the old republic's debt.[45] Post-war Texas grew rapidly as migrants poured into the cotton lands of the state.[46]

Texas was at one time a state within Mexico. Then in 1836 Texans fought and died to earn their independence from Mexico without the help of the USA. They then set up their own country and nine years later became a part of the US. We did not annex it from Mexico since it hadn't belonged to Mexico for the nine previous years. Prior to James Polk wining the presidential election the US did not want Texas to become a part of the US due to the slavery issue.

Your American History lesson for the day, this one is at no charge. Next one costs you $100. 

[Maniac]

Its a non issue, Russian troops are in Gori. Dont feed the troll. And ban his arse again, hes only here to try to get people angry. Really Skuzzy what are you waiting for.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

The weak response from the U.S., among others, is at least somewhat responsible for this going as far as it has. On the flip side, I suppose the current administration can be forgiven at least to some extent for being hesitant to engage in a possible escalation of an already bad situation, given the rest of the world already calls us cowboys.

[Russian]

Its a non issue, Russian troops are in Gori. Dont feed the troll. And ban his arse again, his only here to try to get people angry.

Did I attack you? Do you have a problem with me or information I'm sharing?

[Elfie]

3) They can sign many things, but georgian forces are still attacking.

Are the Georgians supposed to just lay down their weapons and do nothing while the Russian units over run their country?

[Toad]

This Euro condemns the Russian invasion of Georgia but disagreed with the invasion of Iraq.

Kind of puts holes in your mental model maybe?  

Not at all.

What I said was "Several Euro's/Canadians have taken the view "

Read the thread. There are SEVERAL Euro's/Canadians who have taken that view and a few that sound like Putin's Cheerleading Squad.