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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #840 on: August 14, 2008, 03:24:50 PM »
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ussia wins concesssions in Georgia truce

By MATTHEW LEE – 1 hour ago

PARIS (AP) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will ask Georgia to sign a cease-fire agreement with Russia that includes concessions to Moscow but preserves Georgian borders, U.S. officials said Thursday.

The French-brokered agreement requires Russia to withdraw all of its combat forces from Georgia but gives Russian peacekeepers the express right to patrol beyond the disputed border region of South Ossetia that lies at the heart of the conflict, the officials said.

Rice will bring the six-point document with her on Friday to Tbilisi where she plans to underscore the Bush administration's support for the former Soviet republic's pro-Western government but also seek President Mikhail Saakashvili's approval, the officials said.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the accord is not yet finalized and there are still U.S. and Georgian concerns about the expanded patrol rights that need to be worked out.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who worked out the deal, said Thursday after meeting with Rice in southern France that he believed that Russia would begin to withdraw its troops from South Ossetia, another disputed area of Abkahzia and Georgia proper once Saakashvili signs it.

"If tomorrow, President Saakashvili signs these documents, then the withdrawal of the Russian troops can start," he said.

If agreed, the ceasefire would allow Russian peacekeepers who were in South Ossetia before the fighting broke out a week ago to stay and they would now be permitted to patrol in a strip up to 10 kilometers outside the area, the U.S. officials said.

The concession was demanded by Russia, which accuses Georgian forces of attacking the peacekeepers and pro-Russian South Ossetians who live there. Georgia's military move to regain control of the region prompted Russia to launch its invasion.

The U.S. officials acknowledged the solution was not perfect, but said their primary goal is to get Russian combat forces out of Georgia as quickly as possible and that they would only accept the expanded patrol mandate if they were limited, well defined and temporary.

"It can't be open-ended, either geographically or in time," one official said. "It has to be circumscribed and its got to be in the context of the Russians withdrawing all their armed forces."

Russian patrols outside South Ossetia proper would stop once a new international peacekeeping and monitoring force is in place, the official said, adding that the Russians would not be allowed to use the 10-kilometer band "to impede legitimate Georgian movement."

The ceasefire would also allow Russian peacekeepers to remain in Abkhazia, but they would not be given the expanded patrol rights, officials said.

In return, the agreement calls for Russia to respect Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity, something that Sarkozy and Rice both stressed on Thursday after Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov openly questioned the viability country's established borders.

"The United States of America stands strongly, as the president of France just said, for the territorial integrity of Georgia," Rice said. "This is a member state of the United Nations and its internationally recognized borders need to be respected."

"It is time for this crisis to be over," she said. "The provisional cease-fire that was agreed to really must go into place. And that means that military activities have to cease."
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #841 on: August 14, 2008, 03:28:17 PM »
Russia kind of shot themselves in the foot though. Poland signed off on the agreement to install Interceptors and essentially become a military protectorate of the US.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #842 on: August 14, 2008, 03:31:02 PM »
Russia kind of shot themselves in the foot though. Poland signed off on the agreement to install Interceptors and essentially become a military protectorate of the US.

Yep for sure, and its a very good move by Poland. They getting their military hardware upgraded as a result of hosting the missile defence. The Poles still remember the last time the Russians were there.
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« Reply #843 on: August 14, 2008, 03:38:52 PM »
Yep for sure, and its a very good move by Poland. They getting their military hardware upgraded as a result of hosting the missile defence. The Poles still remember the last time the Russians were there.

Russians were there? History check maybe in order here...

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« Reply #844 on: August 14, 2008, 03:43:14 PM »
Russians were there? History check maybe in order here...

LMAO. I guess my Grandmother told me propaganda lies. Maybe you should go to history class.
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« Reply #845 on: August 14, 2008, 03:44:25 PM »
Russians were there? History check maybe in order here...

"In 1939, during the Russian invasion of Poland, some 14,500 Polish officers were captured and interned in three P.O.W. camps in the Soviet Union. The next time the world heard of these prisoners was a news broadcast on April 13, 1943, from Radio Berlin. It stated that the German Army had discovered mass graves at Katyn, 18 kilometres north-west of Smolensk, near the village of Gneizdovo and containing the bodies of Polish officers. Eight graves were opened and 4,253 bodies exhumed. All were dressed in Polish uniforms, with badges of rank and medals intact. No watches or rings were found on the corpses. It was established that the bodies were of Polish officers from the camp at Kozielsk, situated in the grounds of a former Monastery, near Orel. Two other camps, at Starobielsk (3,910 men) and at Ostashkov (6,500 men) were wound up and closed in the first days of April, 1940. Whatever happened to these 10,000 odd officers has never been established. They were never seen alive again. From evidence obtained after the war, all prisoners of Kozielsk camp were shot by Stalin's NKVD.

On April 13, 1990, fifty years after the massacre, the USSR for the first time admitted its responsibility for the murders. The whole controversy was finally laid to rest when Boris Yeltsin, handed over the secret files on Katyn to the Polish president, Lech Walesa, on October 14, 1992. In May 1992, in a wood near Kharkov, a Russian private investigation team discovered a mass grave containing 3,891 bodies of Polish officers from the camp at Starobielsk in the Ukraine. In June of that year, Soviet authorities discovered 30 mass graves at Miednoje, one hundred miles north-west of Moscow. They contained the remains of 6,287 Polish prisoners from the Ostashkov island camp on Lake Seliguer. Before the massacre, 245 officers from Kozielsk, 79 from Starobielsk and 124 from the camp at Ostashkor , were transferred, for no apparent reason, to a camp at Pavlishchev Bor, a hundred miles north-west of the Kozielsk camp. These 448 officers proved to be the only survivors of the Katyn massacre. In other parts of the Katyn Forest, other graves were discovered containing the bodies of Russian political prisoners who were executed in pre-war days by the NKVD. It seems that the Katyn Forest was the main execution site for Stalin's secret police. (Not to be confused with the Khatyn murder site near Minsk.)"


http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/world_war_2_soviet_war_crimes.htm

Russian... your knowledge of history is inadequate. Perhaps, where you were educated is at fault.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #846 on: August 14, 2008, 03:46:51 PM »
Im speachless really.
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« Reply #847 on: August 14, 2008, 03:49:52 PM »
Im speachless really.

Frosts my cupcakes when I see people who should know... and for whatever reason; refuse the truth.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #848 on: August 14, 2008, 03:57:00 PM »
I wonder what happened to SOVIET UNION during that time.....  :eek:

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #849 on: August 14, 2008, 03:58:32 PM »
Frosts my cupcakes when I see people who should know... and for whatever reason; refuse the truth.

I hear that they're no longer cupcakes, but full sized wedding cakes these days.... :devil

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« Reply #850 on: August 14, 2008, 03:58:46 PM »
I wonder what happened to SOVIET UNION during that time.....  :eek:

Dude, i have never heard anyone reffer to Russians as "Soviets" even during the Soviet Union. It was still Russians. You cant get out of this one.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #851 on: August 14, 2008, 03:59:17 PM »
I wonder what happened to SOVIET UNION during that time.....  :eek:

That's really not surprising....you two still can't differentiate between the two.... I keep hearing newsman refer to Russians as Soviets.... propaganda for past 70 years is paying off..

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #852 on: August 14, 2008, 04:00:06 PM »
So, you are saying that no Russians were in Poland?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #853 on: August 14, 2008, 04:08:11 PM »
we need to put the smackdown on the russians for the crap and then send a note to the chinese not to even THINK about screwing with Taiwan
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #854 on: August 14, 2008, 04:08:46 PM »
wow thats scary


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