South Osetia under attack

[Russian]

Hang,


....what is your point? Why are you so hateful? Why do you wish blood on others so much?   

[Hangtime]

What is your point? Why have you stopped beating your children? Why do you parrot propaganda?

*sheesh*

I didn't (and don't) club baby seals, Russian. If you read back through your posts, you'll find my replies to yours reasoned and level... until your BS comment about poland. Then I landed on your butt.. & you asked for it.

[Russian]

What is your point? Why have you stopped beating your children? Why do you parrot propaganda?

*sheesh*

I didn't (and don't) club baby seals, Russian. If you read back through your posts, you'll find my replies to yours reasoned and level... until your BS comment about poland. Then I landed on your butt.. & you asked for it.

So because I don't share your view, you must "land on my butt"? I spoke out and you attacked me. This is how you like to argue on this BB? 

[Hangtime]

So because I don't share your view, you must "land on my butt"? I spoke out and you attacked me. This is how you like to argue on this BB? 

You were not 'attacked'. Georgia was attacked. By Russians. Poland was attacked. By Russians. You were scolded. By an American.

Notice the difference?

[Russian]

You were not 'attacked'. Georgia was attacked. By Russians. Poland was attacked. By Russians. You were scolded. By an American.

Notice the difference?

So you don't accept death cause by Georgian troops on 8th? You don't think UN mandate should be followed because you hate Russians so much? You don't still see difference that Soviet Union is not same thing as Russia. Why don't you start giving out "Washington's" disease infested blankets to Mexican and solve 'immigration' problem.

[E25280]

So because I don't share your view . . .

"Sharing a view" has nothing to do with it.  You are literally denying reality.

You don't still see difference that Soviet Union is not same thing as Russia.

So, let me see if I can play your game. 

America did not drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima -- the USAAF, an organization that no longer exists, was the one that did it.  Therefore America is blameless, even though it was America that started the organization, manned it, and ran it. 

I will have to remember this the next time someone tries to call "America" some kind of bad name because we were "inhumane" enough to drop nooks.  America didn't do it -- the USAAF did it. 

Sounds a bit silly, wouldn't you agree?

[Hangtime]

So you don't accept death cause by Georgian troops on 8th? You don't thing UN mandate should be followed because you hate Russians so much? You don't still see difference that Soviet Union is not same thing as Russia. Why don't you start giving out "Washington's" disease infested blankets to Mexican and solve 'immigration' problem.

*sigh* I do not hate russians. I hate tyranny. Doesn't matter a bit what uniform it wears. American, British, French, German, Russian, Paki, Iraqi, Chinese, Japanese... I'm an equal opportunity hater of tyranny, ordered by any government. It's part of my heritage . "Question Authority". Your heritage is obfuscation, denial and propaganda... clearly evidenced by your pitiful poorly chosen and indefensible 'soviet union' dodge for the slaughter of eastern europe.

If you have further info germaine to the Russian/Georgian situiation, lets hear it. Otherwize, lets not continue the hijack of Boroda's superb troll.

[Russian]

*sigh* I do not hate russians. I hate tyranny. Doesn't matter a bit what uniform it wears. American, British, French, German, Russian, Paki, Iraqi, Chinese, Japanese... I'm an equal opportunity hater of tyranny, ordered by any government. It's part of my heritage . "Question Authority". Your heritage is obfuscation, denial and propaganda... clearly evidenced by your pitiful poorly chosen and indefensible 'soviet union' dodge for the slaughter of eastern europe.

If you have further info germaine to the Russian/Georgian situiation, lets hear it. Otherwize, lets not continue the hijack of Boroda's superb troll.

You have tyranny yet you blame Russia (not Soviet Union) for stopping genocide by Georgians. This "feeling" seems very selective.... why don't I see this feeling in other places such as Africa......admit it, before Boroda's post you never knew what Osetia was and what problems they faced for past 20 years.

btw, please realize you speak to citizen of USA. And my 'dodge' is strictly philosophical definition of a word. Something apparently foreign to you. I'll repeat Soviet Union is NOT Russian Federation. I'm not denying anything, I'm correctly simple use of a definition. Stop trying to stick your words into my mouth.

[Masherbrum]

Russians were there? History check maybe in order here...

Yes, they were.   Talk to your own Politburo.  They can fill you in, since you're the one "playing stupid" (your own quote directed at Elfie) now,   

[Elfie]

You have tyranny yet you blame Russia (not Soviet Union) for stopping genocide by Georgians.

Alleged genocide.....alleged. No one here who has repeated the above allegation has offered even the slightest proof.

Just in case you missed it earlier in this thread, the definition of genocide straight from Websters most magnificent dictionary.

: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

The term genocide gets tossed around very easily these days.

[Russian]

Alleged genocide.....alleged. No one here who has repeated the above allegation has offered even the slightest proof.

Just in case you missed it earlier in this thread, the definition of genocide straight from Websters most magnificent dictionary.

The term genocide gets tossed around very easily these days.

"the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group"

USAC's B17 deliberate and systematically bombed German cities  = genocide of Germans
USAF's B52 deliberate and systematically bombed Vietnam cities = genocide of Vietnamese.

As you can see....argument by definition can take you very far...

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Russian, this is REAL simple. Who is the REAL leader of present day Russia? Putin. Where did Putin come from? The OLD Soviet Union, he was KGB. So, now you understand why everyone is just laughing when you try to say that present day Russia is NOT the old Soviet Union, and therefore present day Russia had nothing at all to do with the iron fisted ruling of Eastern Europe from 1945 until 1990 or so.

And now you know why no one is surprised at the actions of present day Russia and the chicanery they used to excuse invading Georgia. Now is anyone surprised that present day Russia is attempting to revive their strangle hold on Eastern Europe and their old empire. The old Soviet Union faltered because they ran out of money, and now present day Russia, with a fresh transfusion of petro-money, is trying to reclaim the glory days of the old Soviet Union. No one is fooled. Present day Russia is a revived Soviet Union trying to reclaim its past territory and past "glory".

[Elfie]

"the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group"

USAC's B17 deliberate and systematically bombed German cities  = genocide of Germans
USAF's B52 deliberate and systematically bombed Vietnam cities = genocide of Vietnamese.

As you can see....argument by definition can take you very far...

You are wrong again Russian. The USAF did NOT deliberately try to destroy the entire German or Vietnamese peoples.

Genocide is the deliberate destruction of an entire group of people. B-52 strikes in Vietnam were not designed to annihilate the the Vietnamese people. The bombing raids over Germany were not designed to annihilate the German people, only to destroy their war making capabilities and to demoralize the civilian population.

I doubt that either side in the current conflict is deliberately trying to destroy the other group completely.

[Masherbrum]

You have tyranny yet you blame Russia (not Soviet Union) for stopping genocide by Georgians. This "feeling" seems very selective.... why don't I see this feeling in other places such as Africa......admit it, before Boroda's post you never knew what Osetia was and what problems they faced for past 20 years.

btw, please realize you speak to citizen of USA. And my 'dodge' is strictly philosophical definition of a word. Something apparently foreign to you. I'll repeat Soviet Union is NOT Russian Federation. I'm not denying anything, I'm correctly simple use of a definition. Stop trying to stick your words into my mouth.

I guess you are trying to argue out of "naivety" then?

Here, this will be posted now so you can have a clear understanding of what you fail to realize.   The "Soviet Union" was actually a nation named the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics", interesting as which this was shortened to the former.   It consisted of 15 Republics:  Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and Uzbek SSR.    

Even back in 1922, four Republics:  The Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Belarusian SSR, and Transcaucasian SFSR) joined into the Soviet Union.  

Notice the bold print?   Some may miss it if they realize they can only pretend and dodge long enough not to see it.    It's amazing how the human mind works, you have a few history classes and you can name the 15 former Soviet Socialist Republics by memory.    There was a 16th Republic but the "Karelo-Finnish Republic" was, IIRC, absorbed by the Russian SSR.  

So what is next Russian?  

[Hangtime]

You have tyranny yet you blame Russia (not Soviet Union) for stopping genocide by Georgians. This "feeling" seems very selective.... why don't I see this feeling in other places such as Africa......admit it, before Boroda's post you never knew what Osetia was and what problems they faced for past 20 years.

btw, please realize you speak to citizen of USA. And my 'dodge' is strictly philosophical definition of a word. Something apparently foreign to you. I'll repeat Soviet Union is NOT Russian Federation. I'm not denying anything, I'm correctly simple use of a definition. Stop trying to stick your words into my mouth.

Please realize I could give a rats bellybutton what nation you are a citizen or subject of. I form my opinions of people based on what they say, what they do, how they relate to the world they live in.

Based on what I've heard from you so far, I'd peg you as an opportunist, rather than a citizen... obviously, were you an enemy of tyranny your postulations would be a little less knee-jerk reactionary in defense of your homelands national heritage. I suspect you just filled out the forms, mouthed the words and consider your presence here in america an affront to the ideals programmed into your socialist upbringing.

On to the subject matter: You gloss over transgressions by russians, by ossets, and focus only on georgians as being solely responsible for this situation.

There are probably 30 or more links to reliable info indicating the georgians were provoked in this thread. There is an exceedingly large body of information, NOT western in origin, that indicates the Russians, under Putin, are exporting the same type of 'diplomacy' they used on Chechnya... to Georgia.

There exists an impressive body of info that indicates that russia has illegally violated the sovereign border of georgia and continues to impose their will in georgia despite your denial of those immutable facts..

We have seen the leaders of Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Lithuaina ALL in Tbilisi, expressing solidarity with Georgia, decrying this tyranny wrought upon georgia by russia. There exists in the history books an absolutely astounding amount of data that shows this behavior by moscow is business as usual in this region.

It's tyranny.

Surely, you recognize tyranny... unless perhaps you figure it's a russian birthright?