South Osetia under attack

[007Rusty]

                           

[FrodeMk3]

Toad - I was replying to the post before yours. Regardless of the state of readiness of the Russian troops, I think Russia had legitimate grounds to push Georgian forcces out.

Dowding, whomever started shooting first is still in dispute. The Georgian's claim a response to seperatist' artillery.

[Dowding]

I concede that point. However, my point is that there is a line of credulity up to which certain circumstances are plausible. The Russians have overstepped that line by occupying undisputed Georgian territory, particularly via Abkhazia.

[Elfie]

The West betrayed them.

Yes we did and it is a shame that we have to live with.

[Boroda]

The *Soviets* who were hung in Hungary were as I recall, Hungarians who had been colaborating with the Soviets. These people were viewed as traitors to Hungary and as such were executed.

The Soviets also used MiG's to bomb the Hungarian forces, tanks fired at buildings, blowing them apart, just because they saw movement in the building. The Soviets had to bring in troops from the east because the garrison troops had gotten to know the Hungarians and weren't ruthless enough.

Don't start spewing your Soviet propaganda on this one Boroda. I've read many of the eyewitness accounts from participants who escaped during the aftermath. What the Soviets did in Budapest was reprehensible.

You are repeating the same cold-war crap you have in your brains. I have talked to people who have been there and have read enough on that sad story.

Insurgents were deliberately executing Soviet citizens. Just like that Georgian moron Saakashvili they thought West will support them. And also keep in mind that there was no de-nazification in Hungary, so many insurgents were nazis and their collaborators.

[Boroda]

I concede that point. However, my point is that there is a line of credulity up to which certain circumstances are plausible. The Russians have overstepped that line by occupying undisputed Georgian territory, particularly via Abkhazia.

There are no Russian troops operating outside DMZ in Abkhazia that peacekeepers secure.

[Elfie]

The Russians have overstepped that line by occupying undisputed Georgian territory, particularly via Abkhazia.

Indeed, the Russian column that moved through Abkhazia has been all but forgotten in this thread. That move by the Russians really kills any credibility they might have had if they had only forced the Georgians out of South Ossetia. Instead, they appear as liars and cheats.

[angelsandair]

Just like that Georgian moron Saakashvili they thought West will support them. And also keep in mind that there was no de-nazification in Hungary, so many insurgents were nazis and their collaborators.

You keep missing the point, OSETIA IS PART OF GEORGIA

Here, I'll say it again for you to understand.



OSETIA IS PART OF GEORGIA


Loud enough for ya?

[Motherland]

South Ossetia declared their independence from Georgia over 10 years ago.
South Ossetia is as much a part of Georgia as the Colonies were a part of Britain on July 5, 1776.

[Elfie]

You are repeating the same cold-war crap you have in your brains. I have talked to people who have been there and have read enough on that sad story.

Insurgents were deliberately executing Soviet citizens. Just like that Georgian moron Saakashvili they thought West will support them. And also keep in mind that there was no de-nazification in Hungary, so many insurgents were nazis and their collaborators.

You obviously have NOT read eyewitness accounts from Hungarians who were there. I have, and their eyewitness accounts are not Cold War crap. The Soviet assault on Budapest was absolutely ruthless. Most of the insurgents in Budapest (which is where the insurgency took place) were students.

Was the USSR handing out passports in Hungary in 1956 also?  Your lies and outright fabrications are pretty ridiculous.

[Boroda]

Indeed, the Russian column that moved through Abkhazia has been all but forgotten in this thread. That move by the Russians really kills any credibility they might have had if they had only forced the Georgians out of South Ossetia. Instead, they appear as liars and cheats.

Not Russian, Abkhazian.

They restored order in upper Kodori gorge, that is Abkhazian land. Russian peacekeepers are not involved in Abkhazia. Check your sources. They scream 3 times a day that Russians are surrounding Tbilisi.

Abkhazia and S.O. have a mutual military assistance treaty.

I have posted here an estimation on GE military capacity and probable scenario, only in case of attack on Abkhazia. Let me look...

[Yeager]

You are repeating the same cold-war crap you have in your brains.

mirror, meet boroda.  Boroda, this is mirror

"You are repeating the same cold-war crap you have in your brains."

[angelsandair]

South Ossetia declared their independence from Georgia over 10 years ago.
South Ossetia is as much a part of Georgia as the Colonies were a part of Britain on July 5, 1776.

They arent recognized as a country by most countries. If they want independance, then why should Russia help them? Russia would just gobble them up.

[Elfie]

South Ossetia declared their independence from Georgia over 10 years ago.
South Ossetia is as much a part of Georgia as the Colonies were a part of Britain on July 5, 1776.

The world doesn't work the same way it did in 1776.

No country, not even Russia has recognized the independence of South Ossetia......straw man.

[Elfie]

They arent recognized as a country by most countries. If they want independance, then why should Russia help them? Russia would just gobble them up.

South Ossetia is not recognized as a country by ANY country right now. Russia is contemplating such a move however.