South Osetia under attack

[Elfie]

http://voinodel.livejournal.com/20990.html - new footage from Tskhinval, no atrocities here, just the ruined city.

Ruined city? Are you truly delusional?   

There are some damaged buildings, but a ruined city? Hardly ruined.

The first picture doesn't even show any damage to the city. Neither do the next two, those only show a pair of destroyed tanks. The others show minor damage to the city.

Want to see a ruined city? Look at what the Russians did to Grozy, that's a ruined city.

[angelsandair]

Of course if Russian cruise missiles or spec ops teams attacked defensive ABM sites in Poland, that would serve as irrefutable notification of an intent to launch a first strike.

If you choose to think of the ABMs as vulnerable and ineffective in that case, you'd have to admit that they'd serve admirably as a tripwire.

I'd think the signal to lauch would be given upon validated reports of attacks on allied ABM sites. Thus, it'd be a pretty stupid attack.

There's a lot of layers to an onion.

Anyway,Boroda is just tooting his country's horn. They been in the dumpster so long that this little military adventure makes them feel like Supermen again. I wouldn't put much stock in it. I think he's just entertaining himself.

Oh yea, the Russians said they were gonna take military action against ANY defense installation put in Poland... Why though? It's for defence. If they werent up to anything, it wouldn't be a problem...

[Hangtime]

Oh yea, the Russians said they were gonna take military action against ANY defense installation put in Poland... Why though? It's for defence. If they werent up to anything, it wouldn't be a problem...

The laughable situation is, the shield provides no defense from RUSSIAN missiles against the US... missile path on a Russian strike against US is over Polar cap, not Poland. The intent of the shield was to provide an effective defense for US against Iranian Missiles... and as a side benefit, it WILL for Poland and the rest of europe west of poland against Russian Missiles.

Hummmmmm.

No wonder Poland wanted US Troops stationed with the missiles.

[angelsandair]

Better get some F-22s and B-2s on station. Russia is about to make a big big mistake from the looks of it.

Unless Europe can WAKE up and realize what is about to happen, we'll be drawn into this.

[Elfie]

The laughable situation is, the shield provides no defense from RUSSIAN missiles against the US... missile path on a Russian strike against US is over Polar cap, not Poland. The intent of the shield was to provide an effective defense for US against Iranian Missiles... and as a side benefit, it WILL for Poland and the rest of europe west of poland against Russian Missiles.

The other laughable part is, it's only 10 missiles. The Russians could easily overwhelm the system with sheer numbers.

It is for defensive purposes. Unless you are planning a missile offensive....why worry over a purely defensive system?

[Boroda]

Ruined city? Are you truly delusional?   

There are some damaged buildings, but a ruined city? Hardly ruined.

The first picture doesn't even show any damage to the city. Neither do the next two, those only show a pair of destroyed tanks. The others show minor damage to the city.

Want to see a ruined city? Look at what the Russians did to Grozy, that's a ruined city.

You can hardly see any window not broken there. You clearly see results of artillery fire on populated city. This is, my friend, a result of a _massive_artillery_barrage_.

Did you see footage of a hospital bombed in Tskhinval? Sure, it's definitely not _completely_ destroyed, tree walls are still standing.

Imagine yourself at the place of poor civilians there you moron. Grozniy and Stalingrad were defended by desperate opponents who fortified every house.

[RedTop]

Who told you some Russian general said about first nuclear strike now? We have nukes to prevent possible aggression against Russia and it's allies, according to our 1990s military doctrine, but who's speaking about it now?

A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,404221,00.html

I know...fox news bad...but I can find it EASY on TONS of other sources.....

[angelsandair]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,404221,00.html

I know...fox news bad...but I can find it EASY on TONS of other sources.....

wow, thats almost scary. Russians wouldn't be that stupid to drop 1 nuke over DEFENSE. From the looks of it, it's just Chest Thumpin. As slow as they take to up (from what standards I have read) by the time 1 has gotten up to an X amount of altitude, there are 10 US missles launched 1 after another AFTER the Russian missle launched that would hit first.

[Boroda]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,404221,00.html

I know...fox news bad...but I can find it EASY on TONS of other sources.....

There is a good old school of altering the translated quotes. Yes, Poland has legitimate targets for our attack in case of war, so what? You guys managed to bomb Chinese Embassy while supporting terrorists who acted hundred miles away, deliberately bombed bridges, hospitals and powerplants, why can't we target military objects in a country that belongs to an enemy military block? Yes, it's no secret that we will bomb NATO bases in case they attack. So what? You target our ABM system around Moscow, that's obvious.

[RedTop]

wow, thats almost scary. Russians wouldn't be that stupid to drop 1 nuke over DEFENSE. From the looks of it, it's just Chest Thumpin. As slow as they take to up (from what standards I have read) by the time 1 has gotten up to an X amount of altitude, there are 10 US missles launched 1 after another AFTER the Russian missle launched that would hit first.

It was just an answer to putins...I mean Borodas question.....

The simple fact that a General would even mention this type of crap is disturbing. Especially given the current circumstances in the area. I'm trying to think who in the U.S. military has ever made such a comment. Such as using nukes like tossing a grenade.

[Boroda]

wow, thats almost scary. Russians wouldn't be that stupid to drop 1 nuke over DEFENSE. From the looks of it, it's just Chest Thumpin. As slow as they take to up (from what standards I have read) by the time 1 has gotten up to an X amount of altitude, there are 10 US missles launched 1 after another AFTER the Russian missle launched that would hit first.

Again: in case of a massive launch from the US will result in a strike on enemy ABM systems at the first place. Same things planned in the US, it's just common sense.

[angelsandair]

There is a good old school of altering the translated quotes. Yes, Poland has legitimate targets for our attack in case of war, so what? You guys managed to bomb Chinese Embassy while supporting terrorists who acted hundred miles away, deliberately bombed bridges, hospitals and powerplants, why can't we target military objects in a country that belongs to an enemy military block? Yes, it's no secret that we will bomb NATO bases in case they attack. So what? You target our ABM system around Moscow, that's obvious.

Hey Boroda:


ITS DEFENSE WEAPONS

Not loud enough?


IT'S DEFENSE WEAPONS, IT'S MAIN PURPOSE IS TO DEFEND FROM MISSLE ATTACK


And yea, I know what you mean RedTop.

[RedTop]

There is a good old school of altering the translated quotes. Yes, Poland has legitimate targets for our attack in case of war, so what? You guys managed to bomb Chinese Embassy while supporting terrorists who acted hundred miles away, deliberately bombed bridges, hospitals and powerplants, why can't we target military objects in a country that belongs to an enemy military block? Yes, it's no secret that we will bomb NATO bases in case they attack. So what? You target our ABM system around Moscow, that's obvious.

So your General tossing out the possiblity of a Nuke launch at poland isn't a big deal to you huh? What was it he put in there...100 percent?

[Boroda]

It was just an answer to putins...I mean Borodas question.....

The simple fact that a General would even mention this type of crap is disturbing. Especially given the current circumstances in the area. I'm trying to think who in the U.S. military has ever made such a comment. Such as using nukes like tossing a grenade.

Your DoD published total nuclear war plans against USSR, with the first strike made by the US and killing 30 million Soviet people in first 10 days, mostly in the cities. Including your beloved Georgia. Google for Drop Shot.

[angelsandair]

So your General tossing out the possiblity of a Nuke launch at poland isn't a big deal to you huh? What was it he put in there...100 percent?

If Russia does strike, it will be loads worse for them. I can GUARANTEE you that there are 5-10 Ballistic missle subs off the coast of russia, probably all of em. Same for our country too.

Things will be much much worse for Russia than us though.

Boroda, a Russian General said that. He threatened over a defense. Wtf are the Russians planning to do?