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Offline F4UDOA

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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2000, 09:56:00 AM »
I have RTB with half a wing many times. Even gotten a few kills with it. But I have never been able to maintain a speed of more than 250mph for very long because of the rudder needed to keep her straight. Just to much drag.

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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2000, 02:35:00 PM »
The Chog has single handedly RUINED the historical reputation of the Corsair.

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2000, 02:50:00 PM »
And the AH P51D has done the same to the historic reputation of the P51...its a joke!

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2000, 07:15:00 PM »


F4UDOA I think you are lying. Ive seen films where a 1 wing chog outruns a 109G2 for a good 5 minutes. I know you hate all german planes but I know even you will have to admit that the G2 can go a bit faster than 250mph. I had 1 wing chogs outrun me when I was flying the dweeb niki. When I was flying the Dweeb chog I had 3 or 4  missions where I got abuot 4 kills even after I lost my wing. All of you who argue that chog 1 wing perfomance is accurate are simply full of toejam and full of arrogance because you know hitech will never let your beloved chogs be slighted in any way whatsoever.

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2000, 10:16:00 PM »
If it happens as often as you say..shouldn't be too hard to get film.  Then HT will take a look I'm sure.

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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2000, 10:23:00 PM »
Anyone know for absolutely 100% sure that the graphic model and the damage model correlate exactly?

That a graphic showing 1/2 a wing means the damage model is applying that exact performance penalty?

Is it possible that the graphic modeling is more generic than the damage model? Less sophisticated, if you will?

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2000, 01:37:00 AM »
Toad, they know it well. And its enuff to fly with half a wing to understand that the FM needs a tweak. I dont think there is a mismatching between the graphics and the damage model. Think about a single half-elevator missing. It is a very small piece of a/c missing but you feel it. But I can be wrong.

FW's fly well with two half wings missing, they can even land. You can turn *without* ailerons using the induced roll of the rudder (still there is something that puzzles me: if you have half-wings how can induced roll work so well?). BTW, I actually thanked on channel 1 the bandit that took me my second half-wing out    
F4U's fly with half a wing (dunno with two), they shoot down other guys and sometimes outrun opponents.
P38's fly with half a wing and outrun opponents, even at low level (it happened to me some days ago). I couldnt catch him with my C.205V.

Probably HTC is buzy elsewhere (see 1.05) and probably such modifications to the FM are not so easy. Lets hope.

Eheh, when you see a half-winger spraying bullets around, shoot him down and then gun his brain out when hes hanging on his chute. Same thing for those half-B17s spinning down in flames and still able to spray 0.50 arounds hoping to get a kill    


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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2000, 03:21:00 AM »
No mismatch in this case Toad.  I found out who the Hog driver was and queried him on private.

Yes, he only had half a wing on his right hand side.

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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2000, 08:29:00 AM »
Grunhurz,

Dude, I'm not lying. I can't get a F4U with a half wing to maintain more than 250IAS without diving. There is just to much rudder. If someone else can that's great, film it and post it. I would be more than happy to meet you in the SEA to try and test it.

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2000, 11:24:00 AM »
F4UDOA

I was fighting near A23 a couple of nights ago, in a D25 i think (or d30) anyways CavemanJ(hog)(not 100% sure it was CJ) was involved in a fight with another bishop  I came to the bish's aid.  In the ensuing fight the hog lost half a wing(graphically) and started streaming white smoke.
He ran for the hills at less than 200 ft, I gave chase  I can't recall my fuel load at the time, tho i know i was not carryin any ordnance or dt's, he outran me through the canyons!!  I broke off the chase at d1.6 or so i think.  He was not racing away from me, but making small gains steadily on my FE.  He augered or ditched a little while later I believe.

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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2000, 09:01:00 AM »
I've noticed the EXACT same thing Jekyll.  In fact, I was below a quarter of a tank of fuel remaining and this 1.5 winged Chog easily kept me from gaining.

I wonder if 1/4 less wing means 1/4 less drag??

Dunno.

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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2000, 06:50:00 AM »
IMO, depending on metal shreds etc... CF should be lower due to less frontal area but lift value would also drop. This should analogize to the reverse of "unloading for speed". The AC should be slower in level flight.

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Originally posted by Jekyll:
Here's the situation.  Attacking A18 in my trusty Mustang when I get engaged by a high C-Hog.  A few reversals equalises e state, and a luck snapshot removes his right wingtip.

Now, we're at about 1000 feet alt at this stage, so he puts the nose down and heads NorthEast out into the boonies, away from all other bases.

'No prob', thinks I.  I'm in a Stang, he's in a Hog with 1 1/2 wings.  Surely this cannot take too long  

Well, I chased him for nearly 50 miles flat out on the deck, WEP roaring in my ears, and he was actually gaining ground on me.  The chase started with me about 1000yds back, and by the time I gave up the chase he had increased his lead to 2500 yds.

So two questions here ...

1.  What was the official top speed of the C Hog on the deck?

2.  How the %^$%# can a wing-damaged Hog outrun a Mustang?  Surely there must be a drag penalty from his out-of-trim condition?

Yup, AH sure has realistic FM's