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Offline ShrkBite

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the new T-34
« on: August 11, 2008, 05:46:51 PM »
Doesnt it look tiny. like to me it looks like i can run over it in a panzer. it also looks weak....next thing you know people are gonna be landing kills in D3A's, killing T34's. iunno i like the old one much better.

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 05:49:58 PM »
Quote from: ShrkBite on August 11, 2008, 05:46:51 PM
Doesnt it look tiny. like to me it looks like i can run over it in a panzer. it also looks weak....next thing you know people are gonna be landing kills in D3A's, killing T34's. iunno i like the old one much better.

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Be free to continue to use the, old, soemhwat smaller (turret) T34 with it's smaller gun ;)
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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 10:43:46 PM »
I just hope and pray that the T34/85 turret traverses as rapidly as the current one does, and that the gun elevates as high.  If it doesn't, it's going to lose a lot against the B25H and the IL2 and whatnot that try strafing it.  It'll gain a lot against GVs though, obviously.  I can hardly wait.
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Offline RipChord929

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 08:00:56 PM »
Well, it should be an awesome unit as compared to the early t34...
a little slower, but much better gun... with faster reload speed
because of the 3 man turret, (loader)... I do believe that it had a
electric turret traverse, that was reverse engineered from the valentine
and gunsight as well...

Panzers better watch out in midwar!!!!

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 08:12:07 PM »
Quote from: RipChord929 on August 12, 2008, 08:00:56 PM
Panzers better watch out in midwar!!!!
I don't think the T-34/85 was introduced until '44, which would make it a Late War tank.
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Offline RipChord929

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 08:36:23 PM »
To my knowledge, they used it in the third (final battle) for kharkov
in late 43... but you have a point, small numbers,  perked in midwar???
By 44 they were already working on the T44, 100mm version.... Which
was present in significant numbers for the oder crossing, and berlin...
I have found conflicting info on the timeline... but late 43 seems the
most common...
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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 08:46:05 PM »
As a certified t34 nut (almost my only gv ride for 2 years now) I am really looking forward to the 85.  A big <<S>> to Waffle and those responsible for its design and development in our game. 
I am really looking forward to using the sloping armor to its best advantage against the tiger and sherman in head on long range duels that I can't hope to engage in with our current model.
Still there will always be a soft spot for the t34/75 with me, it may be the ugly ducking of the GV hanger, but nothing feels quite as good as snuffing a tiger in one.

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2008, 08:59:49 PM »
I don't think the 34 is ugly... kinda cool lookin!!!
I use the pnzr because of the gun... thats it!!!
The early 34 cant demonstrate it excellence in the game
because of the fact that the only german medium tank
is PnzrIVH, in midwar that should be fairly rare... PnzrIII
was most numerous in midwar, and STUGIII, which was
the 34's main threat.... Again to my knowledge!!!
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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 09:45:05 PM »
Quote from: RipChord929 on August 12, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
To my knowledge, they used it in the third (final battle) for kharkov
in late 43... but you have a point, small numbers,  perked in midwar???
By 44 they were already working on the T44, 100mm version.... Which
was present in significant numbers for the oder crossing, and berlin...
I have found conflicting info on the timeline... but late 43 seems the
most common...
I don't recall ever seeing a source that says the T-34/85 was put into production before February 1944.  I also have never heard of a 100mm version, let alone one that served in combat.  Is it possible you are getting confused with the IS-2 and/or the SU-85 and SU-100s, which were based on T-34 chassis?
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Offline RipChord929

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 10:18:12 PM »
No, no confusion at all...
 
JSII heavy tank 122mm gun...

SU85 turretless TD/assault gun...

SU100, same as 85 w 100mm gun

T44 was in service at the end of the war,
100mm gun, in time for the Oder crossing
and the Battle of Berlin...

they look very similar to the 85, except for an
even longer barrel, and a rotating cupola for
the tank commander w 8 vision blocks...

No kiddin man!!!
I was surprised by that too...
Didn't realize it untill I found a russian authored
book in the public library. showed both, w berlin pics...
It gave the complete genesis of rusky tanks up to the T72
stunning to me as well!!!
but its true!!!

After the war, they were used by Warsaw Pact,
North Korea in 1950, and Many were sold to the Arab nations...
After the T54 came into service...

no BS man

RC

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 10:23:59 PM »
Quote from: RipChord929 on August 12, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
To my knowledge, they used it in the third (final battle) for kharkov
in late 43... but you have a point, small numbers,  perked in midwar???
By 44 they were already working on the T44, 100mm version.... Which
was present in significant numbers for the oder crossing, and berlin...
I have found conflicting info on the timeline... but late 43 seems the
most common...

Every book I have say Spring of 1944 for the The T-34-85 Model 1944.   This being the model with the 3 man turret and the ZiS-S-53 main gun.   Now, I do believe IIRC that several T-34-85 Model 1943 tanks were manufactured from Feb. to March 1944 with the D-5T 85 mm main gun.
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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 10:34:47 PM »
I'm sure the book is still on the shelf at the library..
Its not like a very popular topic...
I'll go get it and scan the pages for ya...
I wish I could steal it, but its not in my character
to do that...

You'll be just as stunned as I was...

RC

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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 10:45:58 PM »
Quote from: RipChord929 on August 12, 2008, 10:18:12 PM
T44 was in service at the end of the war,
100mm gun, in time for the Oder crossing
and the Battle of Berlin...
OK, so now you are talking about the T-44 tank, not a T-34 with a 100mm gun.

http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/95/43/lang,en/
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The T-44 didn't take part in any battle of the Second World War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-44
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The T-44 was issued to three tank brigades mustered on September 15, 1944 for training purposes, but these formations were re-equipped with T-34-85 medium tanks prior to entering the Battle of Berlin and Prague Offensive. These were the 6th Guards, 33rd Guards, and 63rd Guards Tank Brigades.[20] The T-44A medium tank was not used operationally during WWII

Any other references to the T-44 I have seen in my limited search only mention it in passing, and generally as a precursor to the T-54.  It would seem to me that if it was deployed in any numbers, there would be a mention of it.

By the way, it seems the T-34/100 did exist -- as a prototype.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34_variants
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T-34-100 - Designation for two T-34-85 prototypes armed with 100 mm guns made in 1945. One prototype had the standard T-34-85 turret while the other had a new bigger turret with better armour protection. They were originally armed with ZiS-100 guns and later rearmed with D-34-100 and LB-1/LB-1M guns. They were not accepted into production.[3]

I know how some feel about Wiki, but they are referenced, so likely at least somewhat accurate.
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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 10:47:00 PM »
Quote from: RipChord929 on August 12, 2008, 10:34:47 PM
I'm sure the book is still on the shelf at the library..
Its not like a very popular topic...
I'll go get it and scan the pages for ya...
I wish I could steal it, but its not in my character
to do that...

You'll be just as stunned as I was...

RC


That would be great!  Always nice to learn something.
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Re: the new T-34
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2008, 10:57:11 PM »
I was surprised to read that stuff too
Thought those photos, (that I had seen before)
were regular old T34/85s, but there was a diff...
just never noticed it before
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