Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.

[Boroda]

Boroda...I woudn't jump up and down just yet. It's looking like this is gonna cost Russia more than what they get out of it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia

And...Even though his removal was one of the stated aims' of your offensive, Mikhail Saakashvili is still the president of Georgia. Georgia's still an independent country, and still a U.S. ally. Although the two provinces' under dispute are still under Russian control, It looks' like the Kremlin was forced to cave to the court of world opinion, so...You might not wanna call this a victory yet, either.

 cWe don't want any vermins here.

Dot.

[Rich46yo]

remember the Russian invasion of Hungary in 1956, Russian tanks against unarmed Hungarians. Brave Russia won that one also.

Yeah, Georgias armed force have, or had, like 70 T-72 tanks and like 7 fighters.

Hardly like NATO traveling 1/2 across the world and anhiliating the worlds 3rd largest ground army in 72 hours.

I'd be to embarrassed to call this a victory.

[FrodeMk3]

cWe don't want any vermins here.

Dot.

...If you don't, then, why did you stop with the job half-way done???

I mean, you do know that after this, the U.S. might just re-equip a larger, and more determined, Georgian army?

And, Russia still doesn't control the pipelines' through the area.

[Angus]

Lookie here, armchair guys.
You wouldn't write so much "US would" etc etc, if your chair was on fire.....
Russia would roll over Georgia if they were determined to do so well before any US aid was at hand.
And would the US plummet into the fight?
Maybe, and if so, the news would begin to become interesting as long as they'd be available....

[Boroda]

Lookie here, armchair guys.
You wouldn't write so much "US would" etc etc, if your chair was on fire.....
Russia would roll over Georgia if they were determined to do so well before any US aid was at hand.
And would the US plummet into the fight?
Maybe, and if so, the news would begin to become interesting as long as they'd be available....

Mmmm I  agree.

Unlike you guys (oh sorry you not an enemy )

Russia occupied Georgia for 200 years my ass.

[sprattjack]

Call off the airstrikes and go help bury your cousin's.  Perhaps, without a rifle this time.

[zoozoo]

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Yep, definately some resemblance, both physically and mentally.

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[Hangtime]

Russia occupied Georgia for 200 years my ass.

...well, actually there was 4 years of freedom.. between 1918 when in the power vacuum created by the violent end of the imperial empire allowed the Gerogians to toss of the imperial yoke, to all the way to 1921... when russians now wearing red stars re-invaded to install the soviet yoke...

Da, Comrade! We are here to free you from oppression!

LOL!

The revolution of 1917 in Russia intensified the struggle between the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks in Georgia. In May 1918, Georgia declared its independence under the protection of Germany. Georgia turned toward Germany to prevent opportunistic invasion by the Turks; the move also resulted from Georgians' perception of Germany as the center of European culture. The major European powers recognized Georgia's independence, and in May 1920, Russian leader Vladimir I. Lenin officially followed suit.

After independence was declared in 1918, the Georgian Bolsheviks campaigned to undermine the Menshevik leader Zhordania, and in 1921 the Red Army invaded Georgia and forced him to flee. From 1922 until 1936, Georgia was part of a united Transcaucasian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic (TSFSR) within the Soviet Union. In 1936 the federated republic was split up as Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, which remained separate Soviet socialist republics of the Soviet Union until the end of 1991.

[Elfie]

Yeah, Georgias armed force have, or had, like 70 T-72 tanks and like 7 fighters.

I posted figures in the other thread, Georgia had roughly 245 tanks, 40 of them T-55's.

[Holden McGroin]

Aggressors forced to peace. WTG Russian Armed Forces.

Game over.

I felt the same way after we prevailed in Grenada.  It was a close one there for awhile.

[DREDIOCK]

I felt the same way after we prevailed in Grenada.  It was a close one there for awhile.

 

[Yeager]

the video I saw showed dead Georgian children and old women crying for help bleeding profusely in the debris of exploded apartment buildings....all thanks to russian "freedom fighters.

Sure, boroda is proud of killing "those vermin" but the truth is that Georgian soldiers appeared to have fought bravely against overwhelming odds.

Putin cleansed Americas guilt accumulated over 5 years in the sandbox in less than five days in the Georgia.

My heart is with the Georgians. 

[Hangtime]

the video I saw showed dead Georgian children and old women crying for help bleeding profusely in the debris of exploded apartment buildings....all thanks to russian "freedom fighters.

Sure, boroda is proud of killing "those vermin" but the truth is that Georgian soldiers appeared to have fought bravely against overwhelming odds.

Putin cleansed Americas guilt accumulated over 5 years in the sandbox in less than five days in the Georgia.

My heart is with the Georgians. 

What got me convinced the Georgians are worth helping was the civilians... BBC crew caught a retreating Georgian BTR wheeling in the road and providing cover fire for some retreating civilian POV's, as the  bullet scarred POV's came by, half the POV's pulled up behind the BTR, out of 'em come pissed civilians with rifles and ak's... they start laying down fire up the road with the BTR; keeping the route open for more civilian POV's coming up...

I'd say the Georgians definitely understand the stakes... and are certainly willing to fight right alongside their troops. Courageous bastards.. hope they kick the russki's out. Given the means, I think they'll get it done.

[Delirium]

Boroda, everyone is going to see stories (truth or fiction, it doesn't matter) of what happened during the Russian military action. This will work against you and your country, it may even force Nato to accept not only Georgia but maybe Ukraine into the NATO umbrella.

Putin did this just to make a show of force and it is reminiscent of Germany's early war mobilizations. I'm sure your country and all the veterans of the 'Great Patriotic War' should be very proud, maybe now Russia can build some re-education camps. Oh, that's right, you already have... just like Germany did.

As the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, 'He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself; and if you gaze too long into the abyss, the abyss will gaze into you'.

[Hangtime]

Boroda, everyone is going to see stories (truth or fiction, it doesn't matter) of what happened during the Russian military action. This will work against you and your country, it may even force Nato to accept not only Georgia but maybe Ukraine into the NATO umbrella.

Yup. Nailed it.

WARSAW (AFP) — A traumatic history at the hands of the Kremlin and enduring fears of Russia are the root of the staunch backing for Georgia offered by Poland, the Baltic states and Ukraine, analysts say.

In an unusual step Tuesday the leaders of ex-communist Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Ukraine went to Georgia for what they called a called a show of support for the former Soviet republic after Russia's assault.

"Our visit is a sign of the solidarity of our five countries with the Georgian nation, which has been a victim of aggression," Poland's President Lech Kaczynski told reporters.

"Once again, Russia has shown its true face," he said.

On Saturday, Poland and the Baltic states had as "former captive nations" of the Soviet Union issued a joint statement calling on the EU and NATO to oppose Russia's "imperialist" policy towards Georgia.

Fear of Russia cuts deep, said Bartosz Cichocki, an expert at the Polish Institute for International Affairs.

"These nations still remember how in 1939 the Soviet army crossed into their territory to purportedly defend the rights of ethnic minorities," he said, referring to the invasion at the start of World War II, when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sealed a pact to carve up Poland and the Baltic states.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7WLv8fmle18Cr0LDgkWEQR_hs3g

Now, the 64 dollar question, will history repeat... will the EU sell em out again?

"We're Georgia's closest friend in the region. We've suffered the same kind of violence," senior Lithuanian foreign ministry official Zygimantas Pavilionis told AFP.

The Baltic states were scarred by Soviet rule.

On June 14, 1941, tens of thousands of their people were herded onto cattle trains and shipped out to the far eastern reaches of the Soviet Union, where many died.

Moscow's deportation drive was cut short when the Nazis turned on their erstwhile allies on June 22, 1941, pushing the Red Army out of the Baltic states as they invaded the Soviet Union.

In 1944, however, the Soviets ended the Nazis' own bloody occupation, and began a new wave of deportations lasting into the 1950s.

Poles, meanwhile, remember the Soviet killing of some 22,000 Polish POWs in 1940 in what became known as the Katyn massacre, as well as the brutality of communist rule after the war.

Moscow has argued that its assault on Georgia was in part meant to protect Russian citizens in South Ossetia, a breakaway region that Tbilisi had tried to bring to heel.

That rattles Estonia and Latvia, in particular, because Russian-speakers make up around a third of their populations -- a legacy of a Soviet-era settlement drive to tip the ethnic balance.

"If military aggression is being justified by the need to protect Russian citizens, then this should cause concern for all countries with Russian nationals living within their borders," Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet said Saturday.

Lithuania's President Valdas Adamkus on Tuesday said the West must remember past failings.

"We can't allow a second Munich, when the international community climbed down to Hitler. That led to World War II, to a huge tragedy and millions of victims," he said.


Gee..... wonder what Sarkozy had in his briefcase when he left Moscow?