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Offline Jackal1

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« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2008, 12:55:33 PM »
Phhfffffttttttttttttt!
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« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2008, 01:07:56 PM »
That's not worth bragging about. Anyone living near a city of any size in the 80s was in the same boat. Especially if you had an air base nearby as well, as we did.

Dowding, you and I both know that the MAD Triad and NATO kept the west free... the risk never really went away. It was nice not having to worry about it for a few decades... now; we can worry about it again.

Given the choice... is there another path that can assure the west will stay free?
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2008, 01:32:35 PM »
Dowding, you and I both know that the MAD Triad and NATO kept the west free... the risk never really went away. It was nice not having to worry about it for a few decades... now; we can worry about it again.

Given the choice... is there another path that can assure the west will stay free?

I suggest leaving Russia alone and minding your own business.

Or maybe just stop barking, you are annoying. Caravan will keep going anyway.

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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2008, 01:44:08 PM »
I suggest leaving Russia alone and minding your own business.

Or maybe just stop barking, you are annoying. Caravan will keep going anyway.

I would love to isolate russia completely. As you say... leave it alone.

Annoying you is my job. And, it's not just a job... it's an adventure.

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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2008, 01:51:08 PM »
I would love to isolate russia completely. As you say... leave it alone.

Annoying you is my job. And, it's not just a job... it's an adventure.

:D

You guys are on the point when no sane nation will want to have anything common with your regime. Some dogs are still barking, but after your Iraqi adventures no one will go fighting for your so-called criminal "democracy".

Look, you already flushed Georgians down the drain, after such an example I doubt there will be more fools screaming that you should join a war "on their side".

You personally are not annoying, just plain funny.

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2008, 01:57:27 PM »
Yup, and watch out, here comes the British Empire too, redcoats and all...  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2008, 02:04:32 PM »
You guys are on the point when no sane nation will want to have anything common with your regime. Some dogs are still barking, but after your Iraqi adventures no one will go fighting for your so-called criminal "democracy".

Look, you already flushed Georgians down the drain, after such an example I doubt there will be more fools screaming that you should join a war "on their side".

You personally are not annoying, just plain funny.

Poland just signed the deal for US missile defense system. Do you know what the concession was that Poland insisted on... and we finally agreed to yesterday?

The permanent basing of American Combat Troops in Poland. They wanted 'em.. we didn't want them there. Why does Poland WANT US Troops stationed there? Because they know that if the Americans are there, we WILL come to their aid if Poland is attacked by Russia.

Speaks volumes about your lies, and the recognition of your country as a threat by the Eastern European Nations that have experience with your 'diplomacy'.
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2008, 02:05:19 PM »


Look, you already flushed Georgians down the drain, after such an example I doubt there will be more fools screaming that you should join a war "on their side".

Really? Last I heard, there were something like 50 warships off a gulf by Georgia ready to pounce on Russia if you guys dont pull out. Boroda, Russia is easily the crappiest large country in the world, crime rate is awful, and it's going down the path towards another Soviet Union. Russian Soldiers were SHOOTING media reporters.

Russia invaded a country for it's oil I assume. Osetia ISN'T a Russian territory. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. Russian soldiers INVADED Georgia, Russia WASN'T attacked. America will back up Georgia.

Face it, America has and always will beat Russia. Soviet or not, we're better. We have and had more freedoms, better military, better trade....

Iraq is going FINE, I dont know HOW many times I keep having to tell you that. We're already doing better in Afghanistan than you ever did. And we're doing better in Iraq than Russia could have done. We dont line up civilians and shoot them like in Afghanistan.
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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2008, 02:07:21 PM »
America will back up Georgia.
Georgia is not an American territory. Get this in your head. :aok

On topic;
You can doubt the effectiveness of it all you want, but Russian equipment, particularly they're jets, are just plain sexy (much more than the newest American jets, though the F-15 will give the newest Sukhois and MiGs a run for their money as far as asthetics go... the F-22 and F-35 are flat out hideous though). And the AK-74M is just a badarse looking firearm :aok
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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2008, 02:09:47 PM »
Georgia is not an American territory. Get this in your head. :aok

That's up to Georgia, ain't it?
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« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2008, 02:11:04 PM »
Poland just signed the deal for US missile defense system. Do you know what the concession was that Poland insisted on... and we finally agreed to yesterday?

The permanent basing of American Combat Troops in Poland. They wanted 'em.. we didn't want them there. Why does Poland WANT US Troops stationed there? Because they know that if the Americans are there, we WILL come to their aid if Poland is attacked by Russia.

Speaks volumes about your lies, and the recognition of your country as a threat by the Eastern European Nations that have experience with your 'diplomacy'.

Just out of interest... I am not anti missile shield, but what do you think the reaction would be if the Ruskies put a missile shield and troops in Mexico?

I can't imagine the Russians being very keen on this.
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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2008, 02:20:00 PM »
Georgia is not an American territory. Get this in your head. :aok

On topic;
You can doubt the effectiveness of it all you want, but Russian equipment, particularly they're jets, are just plain sexy (much more than the newest American jets, though the F-15 will give the newest Sukhois and MiGs a run for their money as far as asthetics go... the F-22 and F-35 are flat out hideous though). And the AK-74M is just a badarse looking firearm :aok

Yes, but with B2Bs that can penetrate Soviet air space, those planes will be destroyed on the ground before they could ever up. IF we were to go to war with Russia, we'd end up probably not even invading. Just bombing them with stealth bombers till they gave up. A war with Russia would last a long time, but would cost them loads more than it would cost us. Nightly stealth bombings for 6 months to a year will do a number on ya.
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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2008, 02:20:15 PM »
I can't imagine the Russians being very keen on this.
I believe this missle shield business is a direct result of all those ex-USSR enslaved nations that are deathly afraid of being forced back into communist slavery.  Thats why everyone is looking at Putin and this Georgia invasion and going....uh oh, not again.  

The only way Russia will ever be more than a drunkard has been of a broken down nation is if it can force its surrounding states back into its centralized form of USSR nation slavery.  Will the west allow that to happen without putting up a fight?  Bush may draw a line and say if Putin crosses it we will go to war.  Once that happens all bets are off.  Run for the hills!

anglesandair...you ar aware of the fact that Russia is loaded to the tits with nuclear warheads?  We wont just be bombing Russia with golf balls son, we will be getting destroyed as well.  Its called Mutually Assured Destruction and it wont last 6 months.  6 hours should do it.  If that happens well.......you wont be playing AcesHigh anymore  :aok
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« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2008, 02:26:37 PM »
Yes, but with B2Bs that can penetrate Soviet air space, those planes will be destroyed on the ground before they could ever up. IF we were to go to war with Russia, we'd end up probably not even invading. Just bombing them with stealth bombers till they gave up. A war with Russia would last a long time, but would cost them loads more than it would cost us. Nightly stealth bombings for 6 months to a year will do a number on ya.
I don't see how this has anything to do with my post. I stated that;
A)Georgia is not a territory of the United States, so be your logic the US has no business intervening.
B)That Russian military equipment is very sexy, whether or not it's more effective than US equipment.

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« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2008, 02:30:02 PM »
I believe this missle shield business is a direct result of all those ex-USSR enslaved nations that are deathly afraid of being forced back into communist slavery.  Thats why everyone is looking at Putin and this Georgia invasion and going....uh oh, not again.  

The only way Russia will ever be more than a drunkard has been of a broken down nation is if it can force its surrounding states back into its centralized form of USSR nation slavery.  Will the west allow that to happen without putting up a fight?  Bush may draw a line and say if Putin crosses it we will go to war.  Once that happens all bets are off.  Run for the hills!

anglesandair...you ar aware of the fact that Russia is loaded to the tits with nuclear warheads?  We wont just be bombing Russia with golf balls son, we will be getting destroyed as well.  Its called Mutually Assured Destruction and it wont last 6 months.  6 hours should do it.  If that happens well.......you wont be playing AcesHigh anymore  :aok


I am fully aware of that, but I seriously doubt either nation has the guts to push the button. I know Bush wont, and I doubt Putin would either. IF Putin were to do it, Chances are, the missiles would be shot down, and Russia would be nuked too.


All I can say is, if we were to be in a Nuclear Conflict, we wouldn't be the first ones to push the button, they would.

A)Georgia is not a territory of the United States, so be your logic the US has no business intervening.
B)That Russian military equipment is very sexy, whether or not it's more effective than US equipment.

A) Geogria could easily be another 1938, then whose next? Poland?

B) Never said Russian military Equipment wasn't. I personally think the Mig 31, and the Mig 29 are the sexiest foriegn planes out there.
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