What a friking boring game this has become

[Zazen13]

And it seems to have good elevator authority at very low speed...  After a high yo-yo I was about to make a guns pass on a typhy below me that was in the middle of a hard, flat turn.  Instead he just turned straight up in anticipation of a head-on, fortunately I saw what he was up to and pulled away.

Well the Typhoon has a big engine and very good acceleration as well, that's probably what you're witnessing. It's not a very good "nose-up" fighter generally as it gets unstable pretty quickly at low speed. Most pilots in almost any plane in the set figure they can beat it, so it gets a lot of action compared to stuff like the La7, SpitXVI, Niki, etc...Specifically German planes like the 109 and 190 that typically run from those top rides will almost always stay and fight a Typhoon.

[Gixer]

Well next time you are in the MA and see my name on the roster, give me a shout.  I'll tell you where to find one.   

Great add me to your list.   


<S>...-Gixer

[BnZ]

BnZ,  I suggest you go to the Help and Training forum and watch the two films Urchin posted today in the 190 thread to see what's possible in what most consider a plane that can't turn.

Once you've finished watching them, then come back and tell me how you think he did that.  My bet is it wasn't by running.

Oh, and BTW, you'de think I was a n00b if you've seen my flying lately.   

I've seen 190tnb vrs. "insert ridiculous mismatch here" done by the very best Bald.  I've done it myself, with occasional success. It is still a lousy bet. How do I say this correctly...When it only results in victory and RTB for one of the best sticks in the game maybe 50% of the time, that is not good enough for me.

You know, I'd like you to do me a favor. Take your 190A8 to the MA, and proceed to pick co-alt fights with
two or more Spits, or the like planes. Keep track of the statistical results of your sorties. If you can show me a consistent trend of RTBing with two or more kills 90% of the time or better after engaging in these situations, then I will be in the TA with you every day learning your wisdom. If you cannot, I will stand by my statement that it is better, when flying a 190, to run from that Spit on your six with controlled closure, if possible, than to attempt to pull something "cute". (Except in the TA, of course, which is the place to learn "envelope pushing", rather than learning by giving gomers in the MA easy kills.)

[1Boner]

Well next time you are in the MA and see my name on the roster, give me a shout.  I'll tell you where to find one.   

Sounds good to me Steve.

I'll be looking forward to it.

If you'd like to set something up in the DA, you can always PM me.

Or you can just give me your location and alt in the MA , and I'll come right on over.

Thanks for the offer.




Boner

[Anaxogoras]

I've seen 190tnb vrs. "insert ridiculous mismatch here" done by the very best Bald.  I've done it myself, with occasional success. It is still a lousy bet. How do I say this correctly...When it only results in victory and RTB for one of the best sticks in the game maybe 50% of the time, that is not good enough for me.

No bnz, that's his whole point.  For baldeagl, whether or not you're a favorite to win with these tactics against competent opposition is not supposed to matter; you're supposed to do it anyway.

* Some people have suggested rolling-planesets, in which case most earlier model planes would have less of a performance disparity, often more lightly armed and takes lots more maneuvering and fighting and thus, increasing the chance of finding good, fun, furballs.... but noooooo, no one wants to give up their favorite plane even for a couple of days.

RPS!!!

[storch]

Sounds good to me Steve.

I'll be looking forward to it.

If you'd like to set something up in the DA, you can always PM me.

Or you can just give me your location and alt in the MA , and I'll come right on over.

Thanks for the offer.




Boner

hey boner, help me out here buddy because I'm not quite sure how a duel like that would work.  are you and steve going to meet in the center and then both run to ack, whoever gets to the ack first wins or will you two take turns chasing each other to ack?

in any event I'd love to see this fight.

[1Boner]

hey boner, help me out here buddy because I'm not quite sure how a duel like that would work.  are you and steve going to meet in the center and then both run to ack, whoever gets to the ack first wins or will you two take turns chasing each other to ack?

in any event I'd love to see this fight.

As always, its such a pleasure to hear from you again storch.

Parolee--now THATS funny!!




Your biggest fan,

Boner

[storch]

why thank you boner!  now about my question?

[1Boner]

why thank you boner!  now about my question?

Oh! that was actually a "serious" question?  As I now remember some of your statements from past encounters, I suppose I should have known better.

Well I'm sure Steve and Sunka would agree with me that we wouldn't want to let you down,and we will most certainly run from each other just for your amusment.


With the utmost admiration,

Boner

[5PointOh]

If I had a nickel for everytime I've said this Bill Gates would be my housemaid.

If you are flying a slow uber turner you're going to get the living crap BnZ'd out of you guaranteed, it's what is supposed to happen. How that is surprising to people is beyond comprehension. Just as when you fly a poor turning speedster you're going to get outmaneuvered if you get in too tight, it's a core balancing truism of air combat and always has been. I have never, once ever in my entire 18 years of this ever, once heard a speedster driver complain a Spit out-turned him. But, 100 times an hour you hear the slow turny plane driver crying he was BnZ'd, outrun, rundown, left in the dust, dragged to ack or friends or whatever...It really boggles the mind...

I agree to this 100%

[crockett]

I've seen 190tnb vrs. "insert ridiculous mismatch here" done by the very best Bald.  I've done it myself, with occasional success. It is still a lousy bet. How do I say this correctly...When it only results in victory and RTB for one of the best sticks in the game maybe 50% of the time, that is not good enough for me.

You know, I'd like you to do me a favor. Take your 190A8 to the MA, and proceed to pick co-alt fights with
two or more Spits, or the like planes. Keep track of the statistical results of your sorties. If you can show me a consistent trend of RTBing with two or more kills 90% of the time or better after engaging in these situations, then I will be in the TA with you every day learning your wisdom. If you cannot, I will stand by my statement that it is better, when flying a 190, to run from that Spit on your six with controlled closure, if possible, than to attempt to pull something "cute". (Except in the TA, of course, which is the place to learn "envelope pushing", rather than learning by giving gomers in the MA easy kills.)

I wish I still had my old films from when I used to fly the 190A8.  I used to get that thing on the deck quite often. It maynot turn great but the 190 has awesome roll rates and that can be used to it's advantage.

[BaldEagl]

You know, I'd like you to do me a favor. Take your 190A8 to the MA, and proceed to pick co-alt fights with two or more Spits, or the like planes. Keep track of the statistical results of your sorties. If you can show me a consistent trend of RTBing with two or more kills 90% of the time or better after engaging in these situations, then I will be in the TA with you every day learning your wisdom. If you cannot, I will stand by my statement that it is better, when flying a 190, to run from that Spit on your six with controlled closure, if possible, than to attempt to pull something "cute". (Except in the TA, of course, which is the place to learn "envelope pushing", rather than learning by giving gomers in the MA easy kills.)

I've already done that over and over.  Here's a post from the 190 thread in the Help and Training Forum:

I took an A8 out for a spin yesterday and was reminded that once you get it behind someone there is virtually no escape for them.

As long as you're not too close any defensive manouver can be countered with a quick roll into their flight path for a snapshot.  This actually minimizes the turning required.

Of course you have to be good at snapshots and deflection shooting but it only takes one or two 30mm's to finish the job.

I fought an F4U (snapshot kill), a Typh (a draw and both of us withdrew), a P-38 (killed by a countryman), a Dora (who I killed from his six as he tried to run) and a Spit (who I eventally HO'd) yesterday.  In each case these were turning contests that mostly went several rounds but in each case I held speed/E throughout, never sounding the stall buzzer.  I also killed a B-26 and got assists on two others.  All of this on one sortie.

Now I remember why I love the A8 so much.  It is an awsome airplane.

My K/D rate in the A8 is historically between 4 and 6 against all types of opponents (fighters and buffs included).

[crockett]

...... they also say "How can you learn to fight if your always running away from a fight?"

exactly..

When I started this game, I went into every fight I could find knowing I likely wouldn't live or land, but I did it to learn to fight better.

Hell the start of this tour, the very first night, there was a K4 stick using a shade name that was one of the older sticks who had quit the game in the past. I went out and fought him about 8 sorties in a row and died every single time fighting him. Not one time did I run from him and a few times I was at a disadvantage knowing I'd likely die but I still fought anyway.

I learned a bit, but mostly I learned that I had become lazy from the typical fights we have in the MA. If I had ran from the fights I sure wouldn't have learned that I needed to pick up my game another notch.

I guess it comes down to the point that some people want to work to get better and devlope their skills, while others just want things the easy way.

[FiLtH]

   I like Greebo's idea.


     Maybe adjust the scores so that the low end planes make huge rank andthe high ends make next to nothing as far as rank goes. (Much more so than it is now)

[Ack-Ack]

I am absoluteley convinced that the "fly what you like" proponents and the BBS & CH200 "the game has degraded / nobody fights / lame runnerz" whiners are mostly not the same people.

Yep.

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