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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2008, 11:30:51 AM »
the cause/reason for abortion is unwanted pregnancy, if both sides would stop fighting each other and work to reduce unwanted pregnancy it would reduce abortions.

i don't like abortion but making it illegal will not make it go away.

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2008, 11:59:52 AM »
Once again, I feel abortion is a matter best left up to the individual states.

The Feds should have no say and my Federal tax monies should not be used to pay for an abortion under any circumstances.

If a state votes to make it legal that's that but no public money should be available for those seeking an abortion.

In short, if your state votes that abortion is legal you should be able to get one and you should pay for like you pay for any other elective medical procedure (IE: whatever your insurance carrier doesn't cover you get to pay.)

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2008, 12:06:54 PM »
the cause/reason for abortion is unwanted pregnancy, if both sides would stop fighting each other and work to reduce unwanted pregnancy it would reduce abortions.

i don't like abortion but making it illegal will not make it go away.
This is/has always been my stance.  I know that not all birth control is 100% effective, but no need for the amount of abortions we have in US each year.

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2008, 12:09:50 PM »
And THAT is a load of crap and that's why it pisses me off that some liberal thinks it's OK. When my ex wife pulled that crap it was the ONLY time in my life I wanted to cause physical harm to a woman. If I had it my way I'd have her sorry butt in prison for murdering my child, but I can't do a thing about it because it's her body. Well it was my child.


It was her body and without it, you have no child.

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2008, 12:13:59 PM »


I support abortion in cases of rape, incests, molestation,
In which of these cases is it the fault of the fetus? 

Just using your argument against you.

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2008, 12:15:02 PM »
  this country would let it be used as a form of birth control and THAT'S what the entire debate is about.
It is? 
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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2008, 12:16:16 PM »
Once again, I feel abortion is a matter best left up to the individual states.

The Feds should have no say and my Federal tax monies should not be used to pay for an abortion under any circumstances.

If a state votes to make it legal but no public money should be available for those seeking an abortion.

In short, if your state votes that abortion is legal you should be able to get one and you should pay for like you pay for any other elective medical procedure (IE: whatever your insurance carrier doesn't cover you get to pay.)


I agree. :aok

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2008, 01:49:48 PM »
Well forgive me for wanting my children to live. I wanted that child, and she had NO right to deny me a child that I helped to create. I would have been more than happy to raise it on my own, but I was denied that oppertunity. What's right about that?

You say it happened to you but at the same time you don't really seem to give a crap. Obviously you didn't want that child yourself.

I also stated that there ARE times when it might be needed such as a rape case. Granted it's not the fetus's fault that it happened but I'm also realistic enough to understand that in such a case a woman might not wish to have that reminder following her around the rest of her life and a woman should have the right to choose in a situation like that. So NO your not using my argument against me as far as my case goes. I was in a happy stable marriage up to that point. My ex made a decision for the both of us without consulting me first, denied me my third child, and violated my trust, and according to you, I should just suck it up and get over it because "without her body I'd have no children" is BS!!! Without my sperm she'd have no children so why shouldn't I have just as much say in the matter as she does?

You will NEVER convince me that what she did was alright, and I will never forgive her for what she did. She had MY child murdered for her own convienance, and because of the screwed up laws and attitudes in this country I'm supposed to just live with it.  Sorry but that's just screwed up beyond anything I've ever heard of.
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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2008, 02:53:58 PM »
It was her body and without it, you have no child.

Could the embryo be implanted in another?

If so, you have a child without her body.

Many children are concieved now in vitro and with harvested eggs from third party donors.
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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2008, 03:00:53 PM »

You say it happened to you but at the same time you don't really seem to give a crap. Obviously you didn't want that child yourself.
Without my sperm she'd have no children so why shouldn't I have just as much say in the matter as she does?
Hold on here bud.  Yes it did happen to me.  It was devastating, and I offered to raise the child without her help if that happened to be what was needed.   At that point, 5 weeks, it was a part of her body and that alone gave her more weight than me in the decision.  Women are at risk to their lives while pregnant, many things can go wrong that can cause death to them.  It is their choice to take that chance, albeit very unfair to us on many occasions.  My and your situations are rare though, usually the mother to be is faced with deadbeat boyfriend or one that could care less either way.  I am sorry you had to go through that.

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2008, 03:01:43 PM »
Could the embryo be implanted in another?

If so, you have a child without her body.

Many children are concieved now in vitro and with harvested eggs from third party donors.
It can't be done without both agreeing to it, by law. 

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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2008, 03:04:30 PM »



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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2008, 03:09:28 PM »
It can't be done without both agreeing to it, by law. 

Well, if we are not discussing whether or not the present law is appropriate, then what is this thread about?
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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2008, 03:14:43 PM »
Skyrock I want to appologize for my earlier comment. This is just one of those subjects that hits real close to home for me and I do take it very personally, but that is no reason for me to say what I did to you about your situation.

Sorry bud, heat of the moment and all, but I was out of line. I need to just stay away from threads like this one in the future.

No hard feelings on my end.
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Re: Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2008, 03:24:46 PM »
Skyrock I want to appologize for my earlier comment. This is just one of those subjects that hits real close to home for me and I do take it very personally, but that is no reason for me to say what I did to you about your situation.

Sorry bud, heat of the moment and all, but I was out of line. I need to just stay away from threads like this one in the future.

No hard feelings on my end.
I could tell and understanable on your part.  Being in that position is masked up, and is extremely angering.  No hard feelings. :salute

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