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Offline Noir

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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2008, 05:12:48 AM »
what we need is to be able to setup fuel loadout on each internal tank separately, and % by %.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2008, 05:21:17 AM »
"need to make it where you need to carry atleast 75% internal fuel before DTs"
No thanks!..

Maybe if we didn't have such a high fuel multiplier.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2008, 07:12:18 AM »
100% fuel to load DTs would be ever better.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2008, 07:18:52 AM »
Any fighter (a6m2 included) outrun all heavy level bombers (lanc, b-17 and b-24) at any alt (with few exceptions).

I would like to see speed limit for drones though.


Not true...

I've gotten my b24j's up to 415 mph, compression hits a zeke at 400...

Running off of just engine, level... it's debatible...
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2008, 07:49:18 AM »
Not true...

I've gotten my b24j's up to 415 mph, compression hits a zeke at 400...

Running off of just engine, level... it's debatible...

1) I mean in level, of course.
2) Compression doesnt prevent further acceleration (dont sure what maximal dive speed for zero though)
3) Try to compare:

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http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/b24jspd.gif
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2008, 07:53:01 AM »
What exactly would have stopped a pilot taking 25% fuel and DT's IRL?
If the crew chief was instructed for tactical reasons to load the aircraft in such a fashion then that exactly how they would have lifted off.
Yep.  This wish is bogus unless we're flying in a scenario or something, and even there, there's no reason why the pilot can't do what he damn pleases to ensure mission success.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2008, 09:03:27 AM »
But we cannot dump fuel, another inaccuracy.  If they also added that feature, I would agree with this one.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2008, 09:06:35 AM »
Yep.  This wish is bogus unless we're flying in a scenario or something, and even there, there's no reason why the pilot can't do what he damn pleases to ensure mission success.

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You are thinking too far outside the box.  The goal here is make things a bit more "realisitic" when flying the aircraft.  A couple of things that need to be brought up after reading your previous responses:  

1> The burn multiplier is X2, which means our aircraft burn fuel TWICE as fast.  If it were to be lowered, we'd never see any aircraft with more than %50 fuel.  Period.  Even the short ranged Spitfires would be able to go almost all the way across the map.    

2> Remember that in these maps that we are playing on the bases are far closer to each other than they were in WWII (there were a few specific exceptions during an advance/retreat).  In no way shape or form would the US/UK would have put their precious heavy bombers within a stones throw from established enemy bases.  So your arguement for "tactical" purposes to the job done however the pilot damned well pleases is bogus in its own right.  Simply put, the aircraft in WWII didnt go up with %25 fuel and %100 DT to jaunt on over 10 miles and dog-fight or level bomb a city.  There were far to many other factors to worry about.

With this idea of having a fuel minimum prior to being able to take DT, I think also the idea of not allowing hvy bombers take off from small airfields needs to be explored.  If not having a minimum of fuel load of  X  is required, than make it so the hvy bombers MUST take some extra fuel in order to get to the target and back.  

Or..... just up the burn multiplier to 2.5 or even 3 and that will change a LOT of things.  Say good-bye to %25 fueled bombers and
%50 fueled fighters.  That may be the easiest for the AH2 coders to work with.  **listens to the whining**  What? You mean one cant take their beloeved Spit16 or Lala clear over yonder and dogfight due to the range?  Aww.  Guess that means you'll have to up a P38, P47, Bf109, Fw190, or a Zeke w/ DT (but dont worry, you "l337" pilots that MUST take a "l337" planes will still be alright, the Nik2 and Pny have decent DT to get you there and back).  Oh the horror.  The more I think of this idea the more I like it.

Just up the burn multiplier to 2.5 for a tour and see how that changes things.  If we're still seeing massive amounts of %25 fueled hvy bombers and %25 w/ DT fighters... then up the burn multiplier to 3.0 and problem solved.        
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2008, 12:10:45 PM »
Bombers fly so fast in this game they force 90% of fighters into a dead 6 tail chase

Regardless how often you bring that up, it's not true.

90% of all fighters end up attacking buffs from 6 oclock because their pilots choose so. Either out of lazyness, ignorance or pure dumbness.

However, with a bomber at 180MPH (or whatever the cruise speed would happen to be) the fighters do not sit dead 6 because they actually CAN overtake and set up attack runs on bombers.

Almost all fighters can do that now as well. As I said above, most pilots just choose not to.




3/4th of all fighters are at least 80mph faster at 10k (and that number doesn't change at 15k). And most of those those models "only" 40-80 mph faster than the B17/Lanc are very rare birds in the MA anyway
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2008, 01:16:35 PM »
I like this idea

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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2008, 02:15:33 PM »
I've gotten my b24j's up to 415 mph, compression hits a zeke at 400...

In fact, A6M2 can reach 440 mph (IAS) before it starts loosing pieces. And I couldnt break 375 mph in B-24, didnt try too hard though.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2008, 02:26:19 PM »
In fact, A6M2 can reach 440 mph (IAS) before it starts loosing pieces.
Onset of compressibility and losing pieces don't necessarily occur at the same time. Plenty of completely intact P-38's augered due to compressibility.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2008, 02:48:43 PM »
Onset of compressibility and losing pieces don't necessarily occur at the same time. Plenty of completely intact P-38's augered due to compressibility.

I said exactly same several posts above, didnt I?
Just specified speed zero can reach w/o rips to pieces.
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2008, 02:50:07 PM »
I have yet been able to take off in a lanc w/ full ordance and 100% fuel =/ always crashed when i try to get enough alt to avoid them tree!!
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Re: Fuel n DTs
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2008, 03:14:23 PM »
I said exactly same several posts above, didnt I?
Just specified speed zero can reach w/o rips to pieces.

Didn't see that Oleg. I have to occasionally "appear" to be working. It's very distracting.:D

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