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Offline nonaste

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gunners on bombers
« on: August 27, 2008, 08:02:33 AM »
Do the gunners on bombers auto fire when you're flying or in the bomber's seat or do you have to man the gunner's station?

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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 08:11:31 AM »
You have to man the gunners station, there are no AI gunners on bombers in Aces High.

While being in gunners position, you can still turn the bombers by using the rudder.
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 08:13:39 AM »
Thanks.  This explains why I'm getting shot down so quickly.

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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 05:16:04 PM »
You have to man the gunners station, there are no AI gunners on bombers in Aces High.

While being in gunners position, you can still turn the bombers by using the rudder.

ALSO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, if you're in the bombsight, and squeeze the trigger, your guns will fire? kinda shooting blind, but i thought i had done that before?
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 05:22:15 PM »
ALSO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, if you're in the bombsight, and squeeze the trigger, your guns will fire? kinda shooting blind, but i thought i had done that before?

I don't think this is true. But even if it is, I try to give as few hints as possible that give away the fact I am on scope.

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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 05:29:25 PM »
I don't think this is true. But even if it is, I try to give as few hints as possible that give away the fact I am on scope.

same here.......i will at times use my rudders to turn the plane while i'm in the guns.....this seems to lull the con inot thinking i don't see him. i've had a couple guys come to within 150 yds, before firing...at that point, you know what happens to em. :D

 when i'm attacking them, i still keep it high paced, but i generally try to wait till i think they're trying to calibrate, or about to drop. it's truely amazing how many people will ignore hits, thinking they can get their load off before you off one of their aircraft. :D
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 03:32:26 PM »
when  sitting in the gunners postion and you start to fire your guns ALL GUNS FIRE FROM ALL THREE BOMBERS. the only time AI is involved is when your shooting guns. you can only sit in one gun but all bombers shoot. they shoot what YOU ARE AIMING AT.
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 04:00:12 PM »
when  sitting in the gunners postion and you start to fire your guns ALL GUNS FIRE FROM ALL THREE BOMBERS. the only time AI is involved is when your shooting guns. you can only sit in one gun but all bombers shoot. they shoot what YOU ARE AIMING AT.

No wonder I get shot down so quick.

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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 04:12:48 PM »
No wonder I get shot down so quick.

Also note when he says "all guns" ... all guns that can actually fire on the target, but not through the bombers themselves.

If you attack from the 6 o'clock position, pretty much all the guns will be on you, whereas, if you attack from the 3-9 position, the "side" guns on one plane WILL NOT fire thru the other plane(s).

It it best to attack from a top-frontal assault ... aiming for the cockpit first and then raking the bomber. A good cockpit shot (especially with cannon rounds) will result in a "pilot death" ... which will cause the plane to explode immediately ... this is true for all planes ... kill the pilot and the plane explodes.
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 04:19:35 PM »
Also note when he says "all guns" ... all guns that can actually fire on the target, but not through the bombers themselves.

If you attack from the 6 o'clock position, pretty much all the guns will be on you, whereas, if you attack from the 3-9 position, the "side" guns on one plane WILL NOT fire thru the other plane(s).

It it best to attack from a top-frontal assault ... aiming for the cockpit first and then raking the bomber. A good cockpit shot (especially with cannon rounds) will result in a "pilot death" ... which will cause the plane to explode immediately ... this is true for all planes ... kill the pilot and the plane explodes.

yes, but i've noticed that if the attacker is going for one of the drones, from the six, then the far drone is off by pretty much on aim?
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 04:21:02 PM »
I remember from another time a guy called an attack from the six "a silly six attack".  Made sense then and still does now.  Unfortunately, that's where I always seem to be and in THIS game it is just downright suicidal.  It's really tough to get above, ahead, make a u-turn and dive on his 12.  A real rare wet dream, so to speak. ;)

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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2008, 04:21:57 PM »
don't forget to put teh plane on auto pilot before u jump to a gunner position..

also, you can have someone else be your gunner.
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 04:22:31 PM »
You automatically go to AP when you switch to a gunner position.
I remember from another time a guy called an attack from the six "a silly six attack".  Made sense then and still does now.  Unfortunately, that's where I always seem to be and in THIS game it is just downright suicidal.  It's really tough to get above, ahead, make a u-turn and dive on his 12.  A real rare wet dream, so to speak. ;)
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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 04:31:07 PM »
I remember from another time a guy called an attack from the six "a silly six attack".  Made sense then and still does now.  Unfortunately, that's where I always seem to be and in THIS game it is just downright suicidal.  It's really tough to get above, ahead, make a u-turn and dive on his 12.  A real rare wet dream, so to speak. ;)

PATIENCE DUDE.

you don't have to be very far above em, and you don't have to attack from their 12.

 i tend to start from about 2k horizonatlly, and about 1 or 2k feet above em. i get a little out in front of them, then turn into their flight path. at 1.5 to 1.0k i squeeze the trigger, and generally socre a couple damaging hits. DO NOT turn to follow them. maintain your course....you'll pass below and behind them. as you pass them gently climb, maintaining speed, and slight turn in the direction they're heading. this should reset ou to the same attack position on the other side of them.
 repeat and rinse till they manage to kill ya, or you've killed them.

 other thing to do is to keep checking your map. if they're near target, judge when you think they need to be in the bombsight to calibrate, or drop, and time your attack accordingly. if they don't have a gunner on board, you can take down at least one of them while he's in the bombardiers position.

 never ever attack from the six, or six low. six high works sometimes, but in general, attacking a buff from the six is bad, mkay? at my six co-alt, or six low, you appear pretty stationary from the tailgunners seat. makes for an easy target.
 if you DO have to evade gunfire from tha buffs, DO NOT bank hard. that gives the gunner a nice big juicy target. small evasives. and get out of his range, reset and try again.

 the very most important thing though, is the very fist line of my post. patience. patience. patience.

hope this helps ya some.

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Re: gunners on bombers
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 04:36:40 PM »
I remember from another time a guy called an attack from the six "a silly six attack".  Made sense then and still does now.  Unfortunately, that's where I always seem to be and in THIS game it is just downright suicidal.  It's really tough to get above, ahead, make a u-turn and dive on his 12.  A real rare wet dream, so to speak. ;)

I went 24/0 against B-17's and B-24's at the start of this camp in a Spitfire (very fragile against heavy bomber defenses) by diving from the high 6 on a path that allowed me to hit the engines and/or wing roots in full profile from above.

As most buff pilots sit in the rear gun, they can't track this approach.  They ultimately have to move to, and only have use of, their top guns and have to use them against a high speed crossing target.

Immediately after hitting the first buff WEP up in a vertical climb, roll at the top and repeat the approach.

Three passes, three dead buffs and ammo to spare.
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