The mighty TIGER, or not so much?

[SD67]

Well folks, New update coming soon with a new GV, maybe they've revised the modelling a bit. 

[bobtom]

 


Where did you get this info....


  

[Chalenge]

Ever had a round from a tiger bounce off an lvt? I have quite a few. Recently I did that and the shell went vertical killing an F4U that was just getting ready to drop a bomb on me. I watched him come up again and fly all around looking for the guy in the air that shot him down! 

[BaldEagl]

Yeah it's bomb proof alright. I've dropped a full load of lancs (salvo 14) onto a tiger after it taking 2 DIRECT hits from 2 1K bombs. It still kept driving. I took a Tiger up to kill it then, and got bombed by a 190A8 with a 500kg bomb, 1K bomb basically. I don't get it, do some people just get a bugged tiger? Other times I've hit a tiger with a 500lb bomb and killed it.

If you don't score a direct hit to the hull just behind the turret they live.  If you do they die.  Very simple.

[Spikes]

Uh. 14,000lbs of ord x3, drones, wouldn't kill a Tiger ANYWAY in world war II? 42,000lbs of ord. Yes I know it all doesn't hit EXACTLY on the target, but still.

[BaldEagl]

Uh. 14,000lbs of ord x3, drones, wouldn't kill a Tiger ANYWAY in world war II? 42,000lbs of ord. Yes I know it all doesn't hit EXACTLY on the target, but still.

Just telling you how it is in the game.  No direct hit to that spot, no kill.

[iwomba]

Yes Shermans are a little harder to kill & Tigers have been made easier ( with some exceptions )
It amazes me that the HO tactics used in aircraft people try to use on the ground. Hit a Sherman side on in the rear quarter area & it pops even with a panzer.
In a Tiger hit the Sherman low down in front.This will work with a Panzer but requires at least two hits. You just have to survive the first shot from the Sherman.
Tiger Commanders in WW2 relied on reports about Fireflys being in their area so they could change their tactics.
Also it's a waste of time shooting at a Sherman , when in a Panzer, at a range greater than 1k.
I refuse to up in the over modelled , easy to get kills , Sherman. There just is no challenge in that for me.
Use some tactics. Geez it has an engine & can move so try for position & a bit of stealth. Get the angle & use some thought & planning with your attack.
Choose your attack position , have a fall back position when they are getting range on you & use the terrain.
Frontal attacks should be avoided as you will live longer.
With LVT2's use HE same for M3's. LVT4's pop fine with AP.

[LTARadio]

The reality is this, 1. the sherman FIREFLY entered WWII to late to be effective (Started delivery in late 1944) 2. We still don't have an American tank (because American commanders did not want to use a tank with Brit modifications, making the Firefly a Brit tank) 3. NO Sherman, of any model, survived a single shot from a Tiger...ever! The Tiger has lost it's dignity in this game.

[shreck]

The reality is this, 1. the sherman FIREFLY entered WWII to late to be effective (Started delivery in late 1944) 2. We still don't have an American tank (because American commanders did not want to use a tank with Brit modifications, making the Firefly a Brit tank) 3. NO Sherman, of any model, survived a single shot from a Tiger...ever! The Tiger has lost it's dignity in this game.

correct! the tiger really should stand out IMHO It was feared by all and entire armies altered tactics when they knew tigers were around! In this game the tiger has become a joke and a NON factor definitely not worth the perk or eny value! I will still use it always----> holding on to that little bit of history 


If we want a challenger to the tiger then the challenger--> cough firefly cough < should be saddled with fairly equal cost and risk !               

Oh and please bring on the---------------> PANTHER "G" <   

[stroker71]

One other thing is the default skins between the tiger and firefly.  Disable the skins and panzers and tiger stick out like sore thumbs.  Might as well make them bright orange!

[sethipus]

There's been a lot of opinion and anecdotes about the relative merits of the Tiger and the Sherman Firefly in this game.  I thought some hard numbers were in order, so I went to the scores page and calculated kill ratios between the different tanks going back the previous five completed tours.

Here are the cold, hard facts, without the hysteria.

For the last five months the Tiger has a kill ratio against the Sherman of 1.13, which means the Tiger killed the Sherman 13% more than the Sherman killed the Tiger.  This sounds bad to people, but you have to remember that both the Tiger gun and the Sherman gun are extremely effective - including against each other!  So the difference in armor between them is less of a factor.

However, it's not just Shermans vs. Tigers.  Here's how the other lineups went:

Tiger ratio vs. Panzer:
4.78
Sherman ratio vs. Panzer:
2.99
verdict:  Tiger is 60% more effective against the Panzer than the Sherman is

Tiger ratio vs. T34:
18.9
Sherman ratio vs. T34:
8.89
verdict: Tiger is 113% (more than twice) as effective against the T34 than the Sherman is.


My read of the data goes like this.  The Tiger and Sherman guns are both very, very powerful.  Against each other the guns are powerful enough to get the job done, and the armor difference between them is less meaningful, so the kill ratio is fairly close to even, though the Tiger still has a modest edge.

The ratios against the *other* tanks, however, primarily reflect the ease with which the less effective guns of the Panzer and T34 fare against the Tiger and Sherman armor.  These numbers show that both the T34 and the Panzer have a significantly easier time defeating the Sherman than they have of defeating the Tiger.

The Tiger is still the most effective tank vs. tank machine in the game.  Is it worth 30 or 40 perks when the Sherman is going for 7 or 8 perks?  I don't really think so.  I think that the Sherman should be perked more like 20 points to the Tiger's 30 or 40.  The Sherman is too good against the other tanks - and too good against the Tiger - for the huge disparity in perk costs.

I think it costs too much compared to the Sherman, but the numbers don't lie: the Tiger is still the toughest tank killer in the game.

[Sonicblu]

Could some of the issuses you are discribing be the result of getting supplies.  I know if i get hit and don't die in a tank but get supplies it is like getting new tank. S

[Warspawn]

One other thing is the default skins between the tiger and firefly.  Disable the skins and panzers and tiger stick out like sore thumbs.  Might as well make them bright orange!

Many of the more gamey ones, do this on purpose.  I've seen films where they do it on gv's and low attack aircraft light up from 5k out like brite white icons; i'm sure tigers and panzers are easy targets once your client disables the skins.

[NEARY]

the sherman in my aspect is the best tank we have.the tiger can take hits but the sherman's fast spinning gun is the best!!!if you have a tiger in a town and you take a turn and there is a sherman you are ded.

the shermans gun will turn on you before you can press the "2" button.

the sherman was my choce in tank club because of this and i killed 2 m4s(herbel and asp4422)2 tigers(matrix2 and talas2)1 panzer(shegotya)1 t-34 (?)and deturreted one t-34(?) then i was the second last guy alive(the other was spartin2)and another m4 killed me(?).

the only reason i could find this out is because i recorded the whole thing.

the m4 is my favorite tank.

[Spikes]

Many of the more gamey ones, do this on purpose.  I've seen films where they do it on gv's and low attack aircraft light up from 5k out like brite white icons; i'm sure tigers and panzers are easy targets once your client disables the skins.