The mighty TIGER, or not so much?

[Spikes]

Just telling you how it is in the game.  No direct hit to that spot, no kill.

I know exactly how it is in game. I had maybe 3 or 4 direct hits on that spot? At least, with 42 bombs one of em had to have hit...

[WWhiskey]

Ever had a round from a tiger bounce off an lvt? I have quite a few. Recently I did that and the shell went vertical killing an F4U that was just getting ready to drop a bomb on me. I watched him come up again and fly all around looking for the guy in the air that shot him down! 

heck i have had rounds bounce off of m-3's,, 4 too be exact, before a plane killed him and i got the assist

[chrish483]

i read most of this thread but i have to say the M-4 shell drops faster then the panzr ot tiger at any distance,  larger but it drops faster then the tiger shell.
m-4 is harder at ranging a target if your used to the pnzr or tiger as it drops faster.  but if you guys think a m-4 round flyies as streight and true as a tiger or panzer round your mistakin as all heck,   guess ive been GV'ing alot longer  but those m-4 rounds drop really fast.

i didnt read the last few pages of this so if i miss out on something  "myfault" for not reading.  but the M-4 lacks in range to most people as it drops so fast,  but in good hands like "Wonder" its devastating but a pnzr or tiger has more range then the M-4  about 500 yds or more in this game. 

i dont like the M-4 on that base of the shell dropping so fast, others like the tank but i dont just like the T-34 doesnt shoot long distance but the m-4 has some damb good things about it and to get ot know it well you can kill anything,   thats like any fighting vehicels in this game.   you just have to get to know it.

[Warspawn]

i read most of this thread but i have to say the M-4 shell drops faster then the panzr ot tiger at any distance, 

wouldn't physics suggest that since the 17lb cannon on the M4 has a higher velocity, that it drops less at any given distance?  I mean...Newton says that everything drops the same amount per second, but since something travelling faster goes further, it actually has less drop per foot/meter than a slower projectile.

[SD67]

I just got back after dying in a tiger. I was hit many many times before good teamwork killed me.
One thing I do question is why would we bother racking up 7 panzer kills in a tiger only to lose 20 odd perks when we are killed?
It hardly seems worth the effort when I can up a Firefly for the same hitting power for 1/5 the cost.

[sethipus]

Maybe because that Sherman would have died before "many many" hits were scored on you?  Did you see my numbers on the previous page of this thread?  The Sherman, while having a fantastic gun, and really good armor, isn't as survivable as the Tiger is.  Sure, if someone ups a Tiger you can up a Sherman and have a great chance of killing him, but if the enemy are in Panzers and T34s, the Tiger is like King Kong.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the Sherman is perked too low.  I'd like to see it be more like 1/2 or even 2/3 of the perk cost of the Tiger, not 1/3 or 1/4 like it is now.

[Rich46yo]

What was the K/D ratio between Tigers and other tanks during the actual war?

I think the Tiger in the game is a hunk of junk. Its slow, unmanueverable, the main gun doesnt seem to traverse very high, its loud, and an all around rattle trap. I once shot a Panzer point blank in the side and the Panzer kept going. In real life the Tiger was feared more then any other tank. In the game it aint worth taking out for free let alone with the perks.

And I dont care about GV perks. If I ever need them, and I never do, I just jump in a wirbel once a night. Anyhoo Im pumped up about tanks for the first time with the new T-34 coming out. The new T-34 sounds like its going to be a raider extroidanair.

[SD67]

The traverse time on the tiger is exactly the same as it was IRL.  There was a debate on it a while back so I timed it and it was spot on. They just had a damn slow traverse. They were also reported to be abdominally loud and were severely limited in the types of terrains they could move across. The guns were also very heavy in relation to the chassis and caused issues of their own
Be thankful you can fire them on the run in the game. Something that you could not do IRL.

[kvuo75]

let us not forget the tiger's ahmmmmm... "resistance" to being bombed


sherman goes up as easy as a panz to a 500 lb in the general region.. tiger, not so much..

[RipChord929]

i read most of this thread but i have to say the M-4 shell drops faster then the panzr ot tiger at any distance,  larger but it drops faster then the tiger shell.
m-4 is harder at ranging a target if your used to the pnzr or tiger as it drops faster.  but if you guys think a m-4 round flyies as streight and true as a tiger or panzer round your mistakin as all heck,   guess ive been GV'ing alot longer  but those m-4 rounds drop really fast.

i didnt read the last few pages of this so if i miss out on something  "myfault" for not reading.  but the M-4 lacks in range to most people as it drops so fast,  but in good hands like "Wonder" its devastating but a pnzr or tiger has more range then the M-4  about 500 yds or more in this game. 

i dont like the M-4 on that base of the shell dropping so fast, others like the tank but i dont just like the T-34 doesnt shoot long distance but the m-4 has some damb good things about it and to get ot know it well you can kill anything,   thats like any fighting vehicels in this game.   you just have to get to know it.

Uuuuuh WOW!!!!
I had to read this 3 times....
And still, WOW....
Are you seeing the same thing I am???

  RC

[442w30]

IRL the Tiger had a tendency to lose a track in reverse.  So much so that when they backed up, people had to stand watch to tell the driver to halt if a track started to come off.  Yes this tank had issues IRL, but it was despite them, very successful.  More so than in AH, imho. 

Sethipus, good work on the stats.  The only thing that coudl be argued beyond them is that the ratios should be higher to be historically accurate.  It would be interesting to know how much new players who just got their 38th perkie, upped a Tiger, and promptly lost it hurt those ratios. 

Despite being a moderately successful GVer, I almost never up a Tiger because proper use of terrain and maneuver can make up for its weaker armor (than a Tiger), and the gun is very good.  It is especially good on crossing shots because you do not have to lead as much with the small amount of drop the round has.

[715]

The traverse time on the tiger is exactly the same as it was IRL.  <snip> Be thankful you can fire them on the run in the game. Something that you could not do IRL.

Slightly off topic: didn't the Sherman have a gyroscopically stabilized gun?  Is that modeled in AH?

[Spikes]

I just got back after dying in a tiger. I was hit many many times before good teamwork killed me.
One thing I do question is why would we bother racking up 7 panzer kills in a tiger only to lose 20 odd perks when we are killed?
It hardly seems worth the effort when I can up a Firefly for the same hitting power for 1/5 the cost.

That's what makes me mad, you take up a Tiger for 30 perks, kill a bunch of panzers, M4's etc and still lose 20 some odd perks.

[Twist]

Played a few sims in my time, finally tried an AH Tiger today.

What a joke, don't waste your perkies.

[sethipus]

The whole deal with perk planes is that they are like dessert - not something you eat for the main course.  You're not meant to up Tigers all the time.  That's why they're perked, to discourage that!  So you can't bemoan the inevitable perk point loss for the tiger, that just goes with the territory.

I assaulted an enemy base in a Tiger earlier this month and killed 50 nme planes and tanks before they finally got me.  By the way, they finally got me only after I literally ran completely out of ammo.  I still lost almost 9 perk points for that sortie.  Was hella fun though.

You can't expect perk rides to be perk farmers.  It's like in the 262.  You fly it because you enjoy flying it, but you have to realize that you will never, ever, ever, till the end of time, enjoy a positive net perk level in it.