2008 Dodge Challenger

[CAP1]

So a 2.5L with a big turbo is putting out the same hp as the 4.6L mustang N/A...what happens if you stick a big turbo or a KB Supercharger on that 4.6L?

the 4.6L ford engines actually are hot rod engines. they have corssbolted main bearings, are SOHC or DOHC, and can be built to around 750hp without modifying the engine block.

 paxtons, and votercs seem to vork very very nicely on them

[CAP1]

Kind of like Tasca's 427 in a Falcon 2door. Ahhh yes thats what the world needs now, another Tbolt.

 

[Roundeye]

A 5.0l IS A 302.  unless it's a gm, thenit's either 305 or 307.

 a 350 is a 5.7L.

DOH!  typo. 

[Roundeye]

One thing I think we can all agree on is that no matter which one you like, it's gonna be cool as he11 to see Challengers, Camaros and Mustangs prowling the streets that look similar to the ones from back in "the day".

[CAP1]

One thing I think we can all agree on is that no matter which one you like, it's gonna be cool as he11 to see Challengers, Camaros and Mustangs prowling the streets that look similar to the ones from back in "the day".

OOOOO HELLLLLL YEA!!!

[caldera]

The Base Mini Cooper weighs 2,546lbs.    The S weighs 2,668 lbs.   


Now, if you want to talk "bloated", look no further than the Audi TT.   

I meant it would weigh 3000 with Rosie O'Donnell and her "Teletubbies" lunchbox.

BTW, i had a subaru WRX. It was a POS. Only car i've ever owned (beside Mercedes made Chrysler Crossfire) that had rattles. Oh and lost 2nd gear on the trans in less than a year while still bone stock. I spent tons hopping it up to STI-like performance. It was very quick but rode like crap and looked like the jap econobox it really was.

[moot]

Even those rinky-dink mini coopers weigh 3,000 pounds. Cars have really gotten bloated over the last 10 years or so.
I wish the taillight bar was thinner vertically but other than that, it's a beautiful car. The seats are incredible too.
It would be nice if they were faster but $$$ can fix that. The new HEMIs do pretty well with boost.
The streets will look good with Challengers, Shelbys and Camaros once again. 

I was planning on a ATI blower for my Magnum in a few years but perhaps a silver Challenger instead.

Nothing a few weekends couldn't fix by gutting the car.

[DiabloTX]

The more I see of this car the more I like it.  I don't see anything wrong with this so-called "retro" thing.  I think a Fender Stratocaster looks as good now as it did in 1954 when it was introduced.  I really wouldn't call the new Camaro "retro", I'd call it modern with a nod to the past, but for right now, with Camaros, Mustangs, and now Challengers being made they way they should be, all is right with my world...as small as it is.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I'm really disappointed in the new Camaro, and as such, disappointed in GM. The car is a solid 400 POUNDS to heavy, at almost 3800 pounds curb weight. The heaviest the car should have ended up is 3350 or so, wet, ready to run. That makes it too heavy to handle well, too heavy to get the fuel mileage it should, and too heavy to be as fast as it should be. A stripper V6 stick car should weigh 2900-3000 pounds. A loaded hot rod version should be at 3350 only because the V8 weighs a little more, and because the power options and crap like T-Tops weight a lot. I was hoping Chevrolet would be smart, and offer a factory race car that weighed 3000 pounds with a 400HP+ engine, and a true street version that had a stronger engine, but also had A/C and a decent stereo and weighed 3200 pounds, without power every thing and T-Tops. A Camaro paying homage to the Z-28 with a smaller V8 and a stick shift ONLY, with A/C and a stereo, along with a real serious suspension and braking system would be killer.

It's 2009, the 1969 model was considered the to be the zenith of the model, so what do you do when you're bringing the car back of the 40th anniversary of its best year?

Base model, a V6, stick or automatic, with enough gear to make it snappy, but not hurt mileage, A/C, killer stereo, optional power windows and door locks, optional T-Tops, and 16" wheels.

A real Z-28, small hot rod V8, stick shift only, A/C and stereo, stout suspension and upgraded brakes, and maybe 18" wheels.

A sport coupe model, mid size V8, stick or auto, all options above, except Z-28 options (small hot rod V8, brakes and suspension).

A bad boy, like the old 396-375, NASTY V8, say the base model Corvette engine, stick or auto, and loaded, with the option to DELETE some of the loaded stuff.

A factory race car, like the old COPO 9560 and 9561 cars. A REAL stripper, no A/C, no stereo, no power options at all, just a bad V8, and stick or auto. Make this one available with the base Corvette engine and the only option besides color and stick or auto is upgrading to the 427 Corvette engine. To buy this one, you have to have a competition license and number from a sanctioning body like NHRA, IHRA, or maybe SCCA.

THAT is how you bring out a 2009 Camaro that is supposed to be a retro tribute to the 1969 Camaro. Four mainstream option packages, and a race car package to answer Chrysler and Ford.

[CAP1]

I'm really disappointed in the new Camaro, and as such, disappointed in GM. The car is a solid 400 POUNDS to heavy, at almost 3800 pounds curb weight. The heaviest the car should have ended up is 3350 or so, wet, ready to run. That makes it too heavy to handle well, too heavy to get the fuel mileage it should, and too heavy to be as fast as it should be. A stripper V6 stick car should weigh 2900-3000 pounds. A loaded hot rod version should be at 3350 only because the V8 weighs a little more, and because the power options and crap like T-Tops weight a lot. I was hoping Chevrolet would be smart, and offer a factory race car that weighed 3000 pounds with a 400HP+ engine, and a true street version that had a stronger engine, but also had A/C and a decent stereo and weighed 3200 pounds, without power every thing and T-Tops. A Camaro paying homage to the Z-28 with a smaller V8 and a stick shift ONLY, with A/C and a stereo, along with a real serious suspension and braking system would be killer.

It's 2009, the 1969 model was considered the to be the zenith of the model, so what do you do when you're bringing the car back of the 40th anniversary of its best year?

Base model, a V6, stick or automatic, with enough gear to make it snappy, but not hurt mileage, A/C, killer stereo, optional power windows and door locks, optional T-Tops, and 16" wheels.

A real Z-28, small hot rod V8, stick shift only, A/C and stereo, stout suspension and upgraded brakes, and maybe 18" wheels.

A sport coupe model, mid size V8, stick or auto, all options above, except Z-28 options (small hot rod V8, brakes and suspension).

A bad boy, like the old 396-375, NASTY V8, say the base model Corvette engine, stick or auto, and loaded, with the option to DELETE some of the loaded stuff.

A factory race car, like the old COPO 9560 and 9561 cars. A REAL stripper, no A/C, no stereo, no power options at all, just a bad V8, and stick or auto. Make this one available with the base Corvette engine and the only option besides color and stick or auto is upgrading to the 427 Corvette engine. To buy this one, you have to have a competition license and number from a sanctioning body like NHRA, IHRA, or maybe SCCA.

THAT is how you bring out a 2009 Camaro that is supposed to be a retro tribute to the 1969 Camaro. Four mainstream option packages, and a race car package to answer Chrysler and Ford.

and that being said(very nicely written BTW) the mustang will be returned to it's status of kicking the camaro's assss.
 at least the big three are attempting to build hot rods again though.

 on a side note, when ford re-ignited the hot rod wars in 79, i wonder what it would've been like had chrysler jumped in with them, like they are now?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

While I'm not happy with GM, Chevrolet, or the new Camaro, I'm not convinced Ford is going to mop the floor with them either.

[Masherbrum]

While I'm not happy with GM, Chevrolet, or the new Camaro, I'm not convinced Ford is going to mop the floor with them either.

I agree with a lot of your posts dealing with Cars.   <<S>> Cappy.    We're cut from the same cloth.   

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I agree with a lot of your posts dealing with Cars.   <<S>> Cappy.    We're cut from the same cloth.   

Cars are pretty much my life, and my livelihood. I'm sitting home this weekend, I'd rather be at Indy, at the U.S. Nationals, but we just couldn't go this year. Hopefully next year we'll be in better shape, and be sure of qualifying, and have a shot at two or three class wins. I love to hunt and fish as well, and of course that being the case, I love my guns, too.

<S> Bro.

[CAP1]

While I'm not happy with GM, Chevrolet, or the new Camaro, I'm not convinced Ford is going to mop the floor with them either.

yaknow......

i REALLY wish i could disagree with that statement, but you're probably right. i'm just cocky, as i'm a ford nut.
 i've owned some form or another of mustang since i've been driving. ALL OF MY 60'S stangs were slow, but they looked cool.

 my 83 wasn't a bullet, as it only ran 13.8's. BUT.....stock to stock, i never lost to a camaro. once i modified it, i never lost to a similarily modded camaro.

 my 89..same.....stock to stock......stang hands down. modified with bolt on;s, she ran into the 12.2 range at 117mph, averaged 24mpg. never lost to a similarily modded camaro.

 i DID however lose to a bone stock saturn as it kissed my stang on the nose.....and that sucked bigtime.

i really hope these guys(ford gm chrysler) do good jobs building these factory hot rods. i think we don't have to worry about kids in them, as it seems that they're aimed at us 40 something's.

<<S>>

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Ford WILL build some nice pieces. GM is actually more likely to drop the ball. It seems they always take a while to get caught up, and this time is no different. In fact, GM has ALREADY dropped the ball. That's as much as I can say about that. But I expect they'll recover their fumble, albeit as slowly as always.