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Offline alskahawk

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Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« on: August 29, 2008, 08:10:51 AM »
 Excellent article in Maximum PC on Vista. XP beats Vista(with sp1 and without) in most categories.

Couple of states from Gaming performance;(did not include any DirectX 10 games)
                         
                                     XP                  Vista(launch)    Vista (SP1)

 3dmark06 Game 1 (fps);  29                      28                     28

 3dmark06 Game 2 (fps)   26                       26                    26

In Network transfer speed tests XP won all categories.

 They (The author at Max PC) recommended sticking with XP until Windows 7 comes out(2010).
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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 08:27:14 AM »
Yeah, we've known this for a while :)
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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 08:52:27 AM »
 Well I've suspected for awhile. I have Vista on a laptop and its all right. But obviously not for a gaming computer. Was a bit surprised how well XP did. Heres rest of stats;

 Network transfer speeds;(time to transfer file from and to a NAS)

                                        XP                   Vista                Vista (sp1)
Network-sm to NAS(sec)       38                      48                      43
Network-sm from NAS(sec     39                      68                      42
Network-Lg to NAS(sec)       139                   181                     144
Network-Lg from NAS(sec)    140                   271                     142

Overall Sys Performance

Premeire Pro CS3(sec)         924                    960                    960
Photoshop CS3(sec)            133                    136                    139
ProShow (sec)                    963                   1214                  1275
MainConcept(sec)              1881                   1822                  1814
Quake4(fps)                      143.5                  126.5                 125.8
FEAR(fps)                            65                      65                     65



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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 04:41:54 PM »
Idiots, you telling me you can visibly see the difference between 1fps? And game two they are the same?

As for network transfer speeds that's even more ridiculous.

 :rolleyes:

How about a test on stability? Guarantee my Vista box will outlast any XP box running a burn test.


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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 05:38:49 PM »
Idiots, you telling me you can visibly see the difference between 1fps? And game two they are the same?

As for network transfer speeds that's even more ridiculous.

 :rolleyes:

How about a test on stability? Guarantee my Vista box will outlast any XP box running a burn test.


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I'd take ya up on that, I only reboot for installs.

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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 07:05:34 PM »
Idiots, you telling me you can visibly see the difference between 1fps? And game two they are the same?

As for network transfer speeds that's even more ridiculous.

 :rolleyes:

How about a test on stability? Guarantee my Vista box will outlast any XP box running a burn test.


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For me the issue is; Am I going to pay more for a OS that is slower, even 1 fps slower than XP? No. XP is even better in the network tests. Network speeds ridiculus? Perhaps you read the chart wrong. In almost every network test XP was faster. As for stability. I have both systems. I'll stick with XP.
 I'm not going to spend the money upgrading to Vista, or going to back to XP(on my laptop) . There is just no advantage to it. XP is solid. Vista is almost as solid.(now with SP1) But it cost more and there's just no advantage to move either way. Which is the author(of Maximum PC) point. Why spend the money if there is no advantage to changing. Either eye candy or perfomance.

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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 09:51:01 PM »
I have yet to run across any IT administrator in favor of Vista.

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 10:13:34 PM »
I have yet to run across any IT administrator in favor of Vista.

That's because IT admins are the bottom of the pool when it comes to IT professionals. They are never happy. And neither would I if my professional career involved anything Microsoft including Vista.

I don't read charts that basic wrong. There is no visibile difference in speed between Vista and XP, I could pull tests and charts till hell freezes over and argue the same tiny differences for or against Vista.


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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 11:09:45 PM »
That's because IT admins are the bottom of the pool when it comes to IT professionals. They are never happy. And neither would I if my professional career involved anything Microsoft including Vista.

I don't read charts that basic wrong. There is no visibile difference in speed between Vista and XP, I could pull tests and charts till hell freezes over and argue the same tiny differences for or against Vista.


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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 12:12:37 AM »
I don't think these guys are at the bottom of he pool when they work for a fortune top 10 company as managers.

You owe me for the cost of cleaning my monitor!  :lol

It just dawned on me that the XP/Vista argument is like arguing over the B pony versus the D.

D has better visibility more guns but it cant turn as good and is slower down low but faster above 20k.
B pony has a sweet spot between 12 and 22k where it can beat up a D.

All that aside it really depends on what you intend to use your computer for and there are not a lot of good convincing arguments for Vista at all. I use it because I want the larger memory frame of a 64 bit OS and XP 64 was WAY over priced at more than $300. Right now if you want to use 8Gigs or more of RAM Vista is the way to go in the Windows family. If and when CrossfireX is available then Vista 64 will probably be the only way to use it (if I understood the facts behind it all). The point is do some research and know what your needs are.
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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 12:28:08 AM »
I don't think these guys are at the bottom of he pool when they work for a fortune top 10 company as managers.

These guys? Which these guys are you talking about? Bill and his nerd mates? Hardly a snapshot of the 100,000s of MCP,MCSE certs out there.  :lol

If ever there was a dime a dozen certification in IT MCP/MCSE is it.


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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2008, 07:28:18 AM »
Old news.  General concession is Vista is slower than XP on the same hardware configuration.  That starts with a default configuration.  Of course, what is a default configuration?  If you use OEM hardware, the default is quite a bit different from the OEM OS when purchased separately.

However, once you trim the fat from both operating systems, XP will be faster at most things.  Stability wise, depends on the hardware, drivers, and the applications used.  As an example, NVidia has had a hell of a time getting their Vista drivers stable.

There are functional differences between XP and Vista which contribute to more frustrations for many.  As an example, Microsoft dropped the DirectSound API from Vista and DirectX 10.  All sounds are now forced through the standard Windows sound API and Vista mixer.  This added substantial overhead to all sounds being played in a game that depended on DirectSound, such as Aces High II.  It contributes to poorer game performance on Vista.

The different configurations of hardware and software all lead to the wildly varying opinions on which is better.  'Better' being a very subjective term.  XP can be screwed up by anyone and so can Vista.  The people that feel Vista is a better choice normally come from XP installations that were borked up.  People that claim XP crashed all the time had or have borked up installations.  Unfortunately, it is easy to do.

The nature of Microsoft operating systems allows any application to screw up the operating system.  The worst offenders of this are anti-virus programs.  In Vista those programs finally got their own API so they should no longer have to replace system files in order to work.  Those anti-virus programs probably contribute the most to the stability issues of any OS, but could have a higher impact on XP.

In our environment, XP is a far better solution.  It is more stable and compatible.  The Vista box we have, in its default configuration, is the most frustrating operating system I have ever dealt with.  It starts with boot up times five times slower than XP, and goes downhill from there.  Too many compatibility and stability issues.  Even if the compatibility issues are solved, the general use of the OS is just frustrating and that is mostly due to UAC.  Keeping in mind we have to run stock operating systems, we simply cannot turn it off as it is defaulted on by everyone.

My own experience has been less than stellar with Vista.  In the last 5 years, or so, running Windows XP I have never had a lockup or blue screen or any other problem.  It has been the most stable OS I have ever used from Microsoft.  I worked with the Vista box fro about 6 months.  During that time, I had to do a complete reinstall of the operating system three times due to corruption problems.  Modern hardware and the same box ran XP just fine.

I have no doubt there are configurations of Vista running fine in the real world.  I also have no doubt there are serious issues within the operating system simply because I had many serious problems and Microsoft says there are problems remaining they are working on.
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Re: Windows Vista vs Windows XP
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 08:56:08 AM »
The thing for me is that there's very little to nothing that Vista does that's better than or non-existant in XP.  So then the question is... why should I buy it?

Vista is quite literally a waste of money.  I run XP on my main PC and 2000 on my older one.  Replacing one of those two operating systems would be like throwing $200 (or whatever Vista costs) away.  That's why I don't "upgrade".
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 11:58:52 AM »
All that aside it really depends on what you intend to use your computer for and there are not a lot of good convincing arguments for Vista at all. I use it because I want the larger memory frame of a 64 bit OS and XP 64 was WAY over priced at more than $300. Right now if you want to use 8Gigs or more of RAM Vista is the way to go in the Windows family. If and when CrossfireX is available then Vista 64 will probably be the only way to use it (if I understood the facts behind it all). The point is do some research and know what your needs are.

The thing for me is that there's very little to nothing that Vista does that's better than or non-existant in XP.  So then the question is... why should I buy it?

Vista is quite literally a waste of money.  I run XP on my main PC and 2000 on my older one.  Replacing one of those two operating systems would be like throwing $200 (or whatever Vista costs) away.  That's why I don't "upgrade".


Thats about it right there. You might change your mind one day if and when you need more memory but hopefully by then another OS will come along.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2008, 04:30:23 PM »
Thats about it right there. You might change your mind one day if and when you need more memory but hopefully by then another OS will come along.

Why would he need more memory? 99.999% of all known apps, especially games, run 32-bit code. Therefore 3 gigs is more than plenty for home/gaming use.

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