Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?

[Holden McGroin]

And Jesus was not God.
He was the son of God.
If he were God. He sure liked to talk to himself alot.

The Holy Trinity is made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

It is three yet it is one.

Three facets of one being perhaps... 

But back to the thread.

[Yeager]

I'm about as middle of the road as it comes and I'm considered one of the far left.

You are nowhere near the middle of the road I travel down in life.  Most of the people I come across in life can best be described as fiscal conservatives and social moderates.
From what I gather you are neither.  I may be wrong...this bbs is a terrible place to truly measure folks, however, here I gather your a good person.

[Elfie]

Elfie, when the towlies round us up and start us on diggin the pits they'll bury us in, they won't discriminate between your version of Christianity or mine.

Very true, they will hate us all equally.

[Elfie]

The only time god physically appeared to anyone was to Moses. Where he appeared as a burning bush.

That would be incorrect as well.

[DREDIOCK]

That would be incorrect as well.

Ok enlighten me

[MORAY37]

Further, she's held REAL jobs, she has a SOLID voting record, and her stated positions match her voting record.

Too bad her running mate has none of those qualities, which is what really counts.  

VP choice matters little, and in this case, did nothing to "court the middle" (Independents, such as myself).  All McBush has done is shore up his base, (all you ultra-conservatives will be in the voter booth with your pants down thinking of Palin with an AR-15, hunting moose with only boots on)  which, honestly, does nothing to win this election for him.  This is the biggest political gamble in modern history.  Most women are not going to vote for the repub ticket simply because there's a woman on it, and that is what McBush was counting on.  

All that McBush succeeded in doing was making everyone go ...."Who?".  Two days, and she's a non-issue in this ADD ridden country.

[FrodeMk3]

One can be a bible literalist or one can believe that the bible is written to pass broad concepts to a scientifically illiterate people.

For instance one could believe that Adam from a bucket of dirt is tantamount to the first life form being spontaneously produced from the primordial ooze.  That producing Eve from Adam's rib is a literary device that describes cellular division.

Not to Hijack, Holden, but that implies that Someone with an extremely advanced knowledge for that time period wrote those passages' of the bible, for a lot of biological science did not get that far until the 19th century...

I do agree with the bible passing concepts, though. The ten commandments, all of the passages within the different books of the bible, are actually a framework for most succesful societies, and is the basis for many nation's laws and social mores.

[DREDIOCK]

The Holy Trinity is made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

It is three yet it is one.

Three facets of one being perhaps... 

But back to the thread.

Depends on which Christain religeon.
Not all Believe God and Jesus were one and the same.

Course its all a matter of faith which is right.
And believing strongly in something doesn't automatically mean its the right belief.
And with so many different beliefs. Who is to say which is the right one?

[MORAY37]

Hang, if you think this board is anywhere near middle of the road, your nuts. I'm about as middle of the road as it comes and I'm considered one of the far left. The imbalance is normal considering this is a war sim. There is a fair amount of Libertarians here tho.

No kidding RPM.  I'm flamed every second post.  I'm a registered Independent, firmly support the 2nd ammendment......and still members of this board call me a liberal consistantly.

[Holden McGroin]

Quote from: Captain Virgil Hilts on Yesterday at 09:45:18 PM
Further, she's held REAL jobs, she has a SOLID voting record, and her stated positions match her voting record.

Too bad her running mate has none of those qualities, which is what really counts.  

-The military is not a real job?-  did you really want to say that?

[Holden McGroin]

Not to Hijack, Holden, but that implies that Someone with an extremely advanced knowledge for that time period wrote those passages' of the bible, for a lot of biological science did not get that far until the 19th century...

The believer would then counter, "I would think that God has extremely advanced biological knowledge and since the bible is the word of God, this implication is understandable."   

[FrodeMk3]

Too bad her running mate has none of those qualities, which is what really counts.  

VP choice matters little, and in this case, did nothing to "court the middle" (Independents, such as myself).  All McBush has done is shore up his base, (all you ultra-conservatives will be in the voter booth with your pants down thinking of Palin with an AR-15, hunting moose with only boots on)  which, honestly, does nothing to win this election for him.  This is the biggest political gamble in modern history.  Most women are not going to vote for the repub ticket simply because there's a woman on it, and that is what McBush was counting on.  

All that McBush succeeded in doing was making everyone go ...."Who?".  Two days, and she's a non-issue in this ADD ridden country.

I woulda pointed out that in the race for the Democratic primary, gender lost out to race.

Besides, McCain choosing a woman to run as VP tends' to show a more-liberal-than-might-be-tolerated McCain; If a woman was such a hot ticket in the Election, Hillary Clinton would have won the DNC nomination, not Obama. And she won't change who/what McCain is, and that is what is possibly the most disliked GOP candidate of the entire 2008 election. The GOP could have put people up there that were better suited than anything they offered this time, IMO.

[Elfie]

For instance one could believe that Adam from a bucket of dirt is tantamount to the first life form being spontaneously produced from the primordial ooze.  That producing Eve from Adam's rib is a literary device that describes cellular division.

Genesis chapter 1, the story of Creation. Hardly sounds like Adam was the first primordial ooze:

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2  And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
Gen 1:3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Gen 1:6  And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7  And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8  And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Gen 1:9  And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10  And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11  And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12  And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13  And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
Gen 1:14  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
Gen 1:15  and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16  And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17  And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18  and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19  And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
Gen 1:20  And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21  And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that moveth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22  And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.
Gen 1:23  And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
Gen 1:24  And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, cattle, and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25  And God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creepeth upon the ground after its kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29  And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food:
Gen 1:30  and to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so.
Gen 1:31  And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

More specific on the creation of Man from chapter 2:

Gen 2:7  And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And the creation of woman from chapter 2 as well:

Gen 2:18  And Jehovah God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.
Gen 2:19  And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them: and whatsoever the man called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20  And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the heavens, and to every beast of the field; but for man there was not found a help meet for him.
Gen 2:21  And Jehovah God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof:
Gen 2:22  and the rib, which Jehovah God had taken from the man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23  And the man said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Gen 2:25  And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Adam and Eve also had children, the most famous of which are Cain and Able. Doesn't sound like celluar division to me.

[MORAY37]

Figures this thread would devolve into a bible class.  You freaks just can't do a thing unless it's in that book of yours.   

[Elfie]

I'm not going to continue to participate in the hijack of this thread, my apologies for my participation thus far.