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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #405 on: August 30, 2008, 12:45:31 PM »
We still have plenty to learn about all of the candidates. The choices have been narrowed down(GOP Convention pending), now time to start examining them. Bring on the debates. That's where the cream rises.

What cream? The closest thing we MAY have to cream is going to be Palin, depending on how she pans out. The rest we already know are politics as usual.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #406 on: August 30, 2008, 01:11:14 PM »
Unca Joe Biden is a character.. he has a sharp, predatory rostrum style, has made plenty of hay over the years by 'shooting from the lip'. From what little I've seen of Palin in the 'talking head' shows she's no vacant headed twit when it comes engaging an adversary in that venue. 'Unca Joe's' old school condescending attitude and over confidence vs the 'Barracuda'...   oh, my.

      I predict the VP debate(s) will be very, very entertaining.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #407 on: August 30, 2008, 01:12:16 PM »
hmmm todd.. seems that by your own list..  some executive experience is involved.. a lot of your senators ended up as VP (sorta assistant POTUS) before they got a shot at POTUS.

Ike was running a whole war.    He was an executive not a part time politician.   I imagine that in lincolns day the senators worked a little harder and were held in higher regard than the dismal showing they have today.

I am never thrilled to see someone who went from school to school to lawyer to senator to pres.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #408 on: August 30, 2008, 01:12:29 PM »
What cream? The closest thing we MAY have to cream is going to be Palin, depending on how she pans out. The rest we already know are politics as usual.
true dat...  :mad:

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #409 on: August 30, 2008, 01:46:41 PM »
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Unca Joe Biden is a character.. he has a sharp, predatory rostrum style, has made plenty of hay over the years by 'shooting from the lip'. From what little I've seen of Palin in the 'talking head' shows she's no vacant headed twit when it comes engaging an adversary in that venue. 'Unca Joe's' old school condescending attitude and over confidence vs the 'Barracuda'...   oh, my.

      I predict the VP debate(s) will be very, very entertaining.

Unca Joe will also in a bit of a trick box --- he has to be careful how he goes about trashing Palin so as not to make women angry.  He has to be careful about seeming to be "talking down" or being the chauvinistic pig.  He may not have the discipline to pass up the obvious female jokes  :D
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #410 on: August 30, 2008, 02:08:03 PM »
Well, my point with that list is that a lot of the presidents there have similar experience.  However, not all of those presidents were what I would call successful, and some of them were downright pathetic.  Others were very successful.  Those with executive experience fall along the entire range from unsuccessful to successful, just as those who do not.  So if executive experience is any indicator of success, I don't really see it.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #411 on: August 30, 2008, 02:19:55 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t81j_Aup4fo

Her acceptance speech on youtube.

What is not to like about this woman? She is for cutting wasteful spending, cutting property taxes, fights corruption and holds the corrupt accountable, stopped the bridge to nowhere, life member of the NRA.

Pretty funny.  She was for the so called "bridge to nowhere"  before she was against it.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #412 on: August 30, 2008, 02:25:57 PM »
What cream? The closest thing we MAY have to cream is going to be Palin, depending on how she pans out. The rest we already know are politics as usual.
I agree, but dont you think Biden is a decent fella?  Obama and McCain I believe are both decent people, I just dont trust either party to have my concerns anywhere near what they intend to do once elected.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #413 on: August 30, 2008, 02:31:51 PM »
Pretty funny.  She was for the so called "bridge to nowhere"  before she was against it.
McCain luvs his flip floppers.

Hmmm... rather than digging thru the hyper left screaming in the blogs that's popped in the last two days I managed to find a 1 year old story on CNN.

A lot less hysteria and a pragmatic attitude is apparent:

Just last month, presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said pet projects could have played a role in a Minnesota bridge collapse that killed 13 people earlier this year.

"Maybe if we had done it right, maybe some of that money would have gone to inspect those bridges and other bridges around the country," McCain told a group of people in a town-hall style meeting in Ankeny, Iowa.

"Maybe the 200,000 people who cross that bridge every day would have been safer than spending $233 million of your tax dollars on a bridge in Alaska to an island with 50 people on it."

On Friday, Leo von Scheben, commissioner of the state Department of Transportation, said the bridge money could be used to build roads in Alaska.

"There is no question we desperately need to construct new roads in this state, including in southeast Alaska, where skyrocketing costs for the Alaska Marine Highway System present an impediment to the state's budget and the region's economy," von Scheben said in a statement.

The governor urged Alaskans not to dwell on the bridge.

"Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here," Palin said. "But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/22/alaska.bridge.ap/
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #414 on: August 30, 2008, 02:38:35 PM »
I agree, but dont you think Biden is a decent fella?  Obama and McCain I believe are both decent people, I just dont trust either party to have my concerns anywhere near what they intend to do once elected.


They're politicians, puppets of the corporate machines. 1 step removed.. a small step... from child molesters, looters and rapists. 

We need cleaners.. whistle blowers, champions of ethics in Washington. Now. Only one I've seen in the current field is Palin.. Her chances of survival in the den of thieves is small; but it's something.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #415 on: August 30, 2008, 02:41:01 PM »
It's goin, goin, gone! :aok McC just knocked it out of the park.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #416 on: August 30, 2008, 03:16:04 PM »
What a bold, risky move. The main risk is that it requires educating the public, which is always a challenge.

But...

1. She has just as much experience as Obama. A negative for McCain since this removes that message somewhat from the campaign, but then she is VP instead of the Presidential candidate.

2. Change is not lip service for her. Obama did NOTHING of worth in the IL Senate except take credit for other peoples' bills handed to him by his mentor Emil Jones so he could look good. Jones saw the potential early on and set out to make a star. Of all the states that could use change, reform, an end to business as usual IL is probably at the top of the list or close to it. Obama was a Cook County party hack who has not deviated from the interests of the political machine, including endorsing candidates that are practically laughingstocks like Todd Stroger and Dorothy Tillman because that was required. Palin has not only forced real change in her state, she has done it within her own party. Obama looks like the empty suit he is, by comparison. This is really the interesting angle. The compare and contrast to what Obama says and what she actually has done is great.

3. She has some strong social conservative credentials. A negative to some extent, but... she does not appear to be a zealot on the issues and McCain certainly cancels her out with the ticket as a whole. Great for the base, perhaps no worse in general given she is a VP and not out of touch with many on those issues. The atmosphere is electric on the firearm boards. Also, little different from any number of other senior Republicans who still manage to get elected nationally or at the state level.

4. She has the gunowner/hunter vote locked up. Naturally shooting a M-4 on an Army range or posing proudly with the caribou she dropped. I would imagine most of the males in states like Wisconsin will vote for the ticket based on the caribou photo alone and secretly wish she were their wife. The women hunters, will likely wish their husbands were more like her :)

5. The elites in the Democratic party and the media will deride her lack of an Ivy League education, her humble roots, etc. But, they will do so at their peril. She appears formidable. She is admirable. She gives off a Harry Truman vibe. She is a proven reformer. And when people from both parties point to the mess that is Washington she is a full blown outsider. Obama may be a celebrity in the Hollywood mold, but she has the potential to be a celebrity in the "hell of a woman" mold who you would like to have a beer with.

6. Probably wont attract too many Hillery voters but when push comes to shove, they would vote for Obama anyway.

But, it all comes out to educating the public. And, let's assume most people are still voting for the president and not VP in Nov., one would imagine.

Charon

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #417 on: August 30, 2008, 03:21:07 PM »
Yeager, you gather wrong. Fiscal conservative, social moderate pretty much sums up my POV.


So you like to spend other peoples money but not your own?  Maybe Yeager is right?


My only concern about Palin is her serious lack of foreign affairs experience.

Her lack of foreign policy experience?  She is the VP.  Obama wants to be President and has no foreign policy experience.  You are not worried about him but you are of hers?  I admire your selective rationality.
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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #418 on: August 30, 2008, 04:15:53 PM »
I don't think this woman is a bad pick it is a strategic move & some what risky for Senator MC Cain it could back fire. When it is all said & done from what I have seen here in the USA most people are not going to the poles to vote for a Vice President it is for the top job President. After the debates of the respective VP's are over either of them will matter not.

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Re: Have Gun, Will Travel. Sarah Palin a Good VP pick?
« Reply #419 on: August 30, 2008, 05:10:33 PM »
Pretty funny.  She was for the so called "bridge to nowhere"  before she was against it.
McCain luvs his flip floppers.
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