Ok Laz, Question for you

[DREDIOCK]

In another thread you once wrote

I wouldn't vote for mccain unless a democrat would get in if I didn't vote for him.

He is the manchurian candidate in my opinion.

I think that supporting Arnie is a way for him to curry some favor with the more conservative republicans who view him like I do...  Most of us view him as "allmost as bad as a full blown democrat but without the baggage they carry"[/b]

Obviously you view McCain as being too far left.

Yet the fact is,he votes along party lines 88.3 percent of the time. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/
And has voted with Bush over 90% of the time.

Not that either is a bad thing.

But voting to the right 88.3 and 90+ % of the time seems to most reasonable people to be pretty right wing.

Yet you say he leans left.
If he leans left of you. And yet still votes to the right more then 3/4 of the time (actually its closer to 9/10ths of the time)
Then how does that not make you a right winger?

Face it Laz. With few subject exceptions (like I said. everyone dissageess with their lover now and again) Your about as right wing as they come.

THAT is why everyone you dissagree with looks to you to be a libral

[bj229r]

88% isn't that great of a team player, when you think of some of the other 12% that he was against. I would venture that Dems have a far higher % rate of party loyalty. (Whether it's due to fear of Nancy/Harry, or actual beliefs   prolly is immaterial)

[Hangtime]

Dred.. McCain's immigration reform program is what I detest about him.. last time he backed off when attacked about control of the borders FIRST, immigration 'reform' second. Next NAFTA and the North American Union issue.. both clear indicators he's owned by corporate interests.

I don't see a damn bit of difference between mccain and obama on those issues.  Deal-Breakers for a vote from me if it wasn't for the re-emerging russian threat and the War in the Middle East. I'll likely be voting for a third party since my state is a throw-away democratic state anyway.. unless by some miracle it looks close in NY between the dems and republicans.. then I'll be voting against every single incumbent in this state for the cheap seats and for mccain in the presidential.

[Chalenge]

I think of McPain like a modern day Benedict Arnold of politics. He goes through the motions of loyalty to the party but when it really matters he betrays the party and votes with the opposition. Every time a dem 'reaches across the aisle' McPain is there to get the group hug and resulting photo-op.

[Serenity]

I think of McPain like a modern day Benedict Arnold of politics. He goes through the motions of loyalty to the party but when it really matters he betrays the party and votes with the opposition. Every time a dem 'reaches across the aisle' McPain is there to get the group hug and resulting photo-op.

So... we should vote WITH the party everytime regardless of the issue? Anyone else smell a lemming...

[Motherland]

So... we should vote WITH the party everytime regardless of the issue? Anyone else smell a lemming...

Didn't you know, trying to actually get things done through compromising  is bad?

[Chalenge]

Give me a break this guy doesnt compromise he caves in completely and sells out the party down the line!

[Motherland]

Give me a break this guy doesnt compromise he caves in completely and sells out the party down the line!

I don't see how 'selling out your party' can possibly be a bad thing.

[Serenity]

and sells out the party down the line!

Who is this party that deserves absolute loyalty? Trust me when I say this, I am QUITE right wing. I am a devout conformist. And I see the world as being almost absolutely black and white. But there ARE shades of gray. 'Republican' is not absolute. 'Democrat' is not absolute. Neither one pays your check, defends your country, or builds your roads and freeways. They are GENERAL VIEWPOINTS.

A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?

[Hangtime]

Who is this party that deserves absolute loyalty? Trust me when I say this, I am QUITE right wing. I am a devout conformist. And I see the world as being almost absolutely black and white. But there ARE shades of gray. 'Republican' is not absolute. 'Democrat' is not absolute. Neither one pays your check, defends your country, or builds your roads and freeways. They are GENERAL VIEWPOINTS.

A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?

Yep. yer not 'party' material. Congratulations on demonstrating you are an American instead of a lemming. Hope some more lemmings start walking upright and using their own brains every once in awhile.

 

[Golfer]

A great example. I support the NRA. I support sealing the borders. HOWEVER, I am absolutely without fail pro-choice. Is there anything wrong with that?

You wern't adopted were you?

[Serenity]

You wern't adopted were you?

Actually, I was. My birth parents were (IIRC) E-3 in the army, (Both of them) intelligence division at Kunia Tunnel. They couldn't afford a second child, so they put me up for adoption. BUT, that was THEIR choice. I'm not pro-ABORTION, I'm pro-THE-RIGHT-TO-CHOSE-FOR-YOURSELF

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I'm not unhappy with McCain because he did not vote along party lines. I'm unhappy with McCain because of HOW he voted on certain issues. He has repeatedly picked the wrong time to "reach across the aisle"

What is called campaign finance reform (McCain Fiengold) is a crock.

His votes on immigration have been a joke.

His "compromise" on judicial appointments wasn't.

I could go on. And on.

That he didn't "vote Republican" is not an issue. That he voted completely against what I feel was correct IS an issue.

The problem is, the Democrats are even worse. The chance that Obama, who I do not agree with at all (not talking about what he says  but rather what he does and how he votes) could make appointments to the USSC, as well as wreck the economy, and what little is going well in the government, is the ONLY thing that prevents me from voting "none of the above".

[Serenity]

The problem is, the Democrats are even worse. The chance that Obama, who I do not agree with at all (not talking about what he says  but rather what he does and how he votes) could make appointments to the USSC, as well as wreck the economy, and what little is going well in the government, is the ONLY thing that prevents me from voting "none of the above".

Agreed. I don't think McCain will make a great president, but I REALLY don't think Obama has a chance at doing anything but causing problems. I think this will be a vote against Obama rather than for McCain

[Druss]

I'm not unhappy with McCain because he did not vote along party lines. I'm unhappy with McCain because of HOW he voted on certain issues. He has repeatedly picked the wrong time to "reach across the aisle"

What is called campaign finance reform (McCain Fiengold) is a crock.

His votes on immigration have been a joke.

His "compromise" on judicial appointments wasn't.

I could go on. And on.

That he didn't "vote Republican" is not an issue. That he voted completely against what I feel was correct IS an issue.

The problem is, the Democrats are even worse. The chance that Obama, who I do not agree with at all (not talking about what he says  but rather what he does and how he votes) could make appointments to the USSC, as well as wreck the economy, and what little is going well in the government, is the ONLY thing that prevents me from voting "none of the above".

Damn Virg! I coulgn't have said it better myself!