Main arean tours

[Ack-Ack]

I play AH quite a bit and I only recognize Shawk on the list of winners of the Main tour score. How does a person win a tour and you don't recognize them as one of the players in the game. Do they really play the game?  When? Where?

I am just curious is see Shawk on all the time and it make sense that he would be up there. How come I never run into any of the other players that are 1st place no less on the tour.

I understand not running into the early and mid war guys because i so rarely fly those arenas.

The only time you'll see Dextur is if your name is yourfup and sitting on the runway in a bomber.


ack-ack

[SunBat]

In the new tour, Bruv has 11 kills in a hurri, all in attack mode.

I didn't know you could see what mode someone was in when they shot someone down in a certain plane.  How do you get that info?

[Steve]

I didn't know you could see what mode someone was in when they shot someone down in a certain plane.  How do you get that info?

Deduction. He has 8 kills in fighter mode, 8 kills in a pony.  Self evident.

[TonyJoey]

The only time you'll see Dextur is if your name is yourfup and sitting on the runway in a bomber.


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Don't forget BigLamer

[E25280]

You didn't run into me in August by did once in July. My 51, your 38.  I doubt you'll see my name in lights again though.  I think the normal fighter score toads took the month off. Score toads like bruv or pacerr will be basck on top again this month. Score toads are easy to spot. 

Look at Bruv as an example. He's probably a fine stick and great guy but he'll fly a sortie in fighter mode and then be very careful, fly safely. This can be witnessed by his current score: 8 kills in fighter mode, 8 kills in a 51.  When he is really going to fight and actually risk getting shot down, he'll switch his score to attack mode. If you mention this, they'll invariably spout the same excuses:  "I brought ord to a base so it was attack mode." In the new tour, Bruv has 11 kills in a hurri, all in attack mode. I doubt he was raiding bases or carrying ord with a hurri. This is a good example of "gaming" the system and it's people like this who render the ranking system irrelevent as far as gauging your progress goes, beyond comparing one's own numbers. As a tool of ranking "skill" it is nearly useless.

I guess you can "fly safe" and get more than 15 kills an hour.

About 5 more than you, by the way.  I guess you better stop flying timid and become more aggressive.   

And as if deaths in attack mode don't mean anything.

Methinks you would be wise to look more closely before casting stones, my friend.

It always makes me laugh that folks say rank means nothing, yet are the first to use the scores to try to "prove" something about how other people play the game.  Hilarious!

[Steve]

I guess you can "fly safe" and get more than 15 kills an hour.

About 5 more than you, by the way.  I guess you better stop flying timid and become more aggressive.   

And as if deaths in attack mode don't mean anything.

Methinks you would be wise to look more closely before casting stones, my friend.

It always makes me laugh that folks say rank means nothing, yet are the first to use the scores to try to "prove" something about how other people play the game.  Hilarious!

Nothing I said was inaccurate. In the one flight he took he may very well have been to a vulch.  Deaths in attack mode mean nothing to fighter mode, and fighter mode is  all I am talking about. Try to pay attention. I'm not trying to prove anything.  It is self evident. You are defending someone, and attacking me, as if Bruv needed defending. I'm not assailing Bruv, I do not care how he flies. And like I said, I'm sure he's a great guy and very good stick.  If he wants to fly for rank, great! I hope he has fun.

[crockett]

I think I've seen SHAWK once or twice.  I think in order to get the number 1 rank in things he's having to do the gamey stuff all the time.  Stuka a strat, land and unload your guns into a target, rinse & repeat type stuff.  I'm sure it's exciting as all get out though.

 

Anytime there is a vulch going on Shawk won't be far away.. 

[E25280]

Nothing I said was inaccurate. In the one flight he took he may very well have been to a vulch.  Deaths in attack mode mean nothing to fighter mode, and fighter mode is  all I am talking about. Try to pay attention. I'm not trying to prove anything.  It is self evident. You are defending someone, and attacking me, as if Bruv needed defending. I'm not assailing Bruv, I do not care how he flies. And like I said, I'm sure he's a great guy and very good stick.  If he wants to fly for rank, great! I hope he has fun.

Actually, a lot you said was inaccurate.

Unlike your attempt at cherry picking a small sample of sorties from this tour, I looked at his August tour, since that is what the OP was asking about (pilots on the front page and all).  Looks to me like he spends more than a sortie or two "vulching" to get his scores.

And for someone who plays for rank, deaths in attack mode surely count.  Your assertion that it does not is quite silly as a result, and is a demonstration of one dimensional thinking -- that only your way (all fighter all the time) is the right way.

And yes indeed you did "assail" Bruv, by saying he only flies fighter mode when it is "safe" and therefore implying his fighter score / rank / kills / whatever measure you like is inferior to a "true warrior" like yourself.  You also said he was gaming the system and called into question whether he had any skill at all by saying rank in general was worthless and therefore any rank he achieved was meaningless.  Your claims of "I am sure he is a great guy" notwithstanding, anyone who is "paying attention" as you put it can clearly see the attacks.  Your "one flight to vulch" comment above is a clear example, as you have no idea how he got his kills, but choose to put it in the most negative light you can.

But, you are correct, Bruv doesn't need defending, and I am doing so only as an afterthought.  I just enjoy pointing out the pomposity of some posters from time to time.
 
But don't worry, Steve, I am sure you are a nice guy and didn't mean it to come across like it did, so I will leave it be.

[Anaxogoras]

Fwiw, I've heard plenty of people brag about the trick of using "attack" when they want to mix it up and die, and "fighter" when they're going to play it safe.  It's not playing for rank so much as it's playing for figher-rank only.  When I am in attack mode I always carry ordinance and deliver it to target whenever possible.

Anyway, stats are a lot of fun to look at and analyze.  The ranking system leaves a lot to be desired (especially for squads), but I find that the kills/hour stat and the emphasis placed on it encourages me to be aggressive.

[BillyD]

You are treading on thin ice here Steve next thing you know.....    hey u stevee u call me a noob u ought to be abkle to take the pain

[mensa180]

What's score?

[Steve]

Actually, a lot you said was inaccurate.

Unlike your attempt at cherry picking a small sample of sorties from this tour, I looked at his August tour, since that is what the OP was asking about (pilots on the front page and all).  Looks to me like he spends more than a sortie or two "vulching" to get his scores.

And for someone who plays for rank, deaths in attack mode surely count.  Your assertion that it does not is quite silly as a result, and is a demonstration of one dimensional thinking -- that only your way (all fighter all the time) is the right way.

And yes indeed you did "assail" Bruv, by saying he only flies fighter mode when it is "safe" and therefore implying his fighter score / rank / kills / whatever measure you like is inferior to a "true warrior" like yourself.  You also said he was gaming the system and called into question whether he had any skill at all by saying rank in general was worthless and therefore any rank he achieved was meaningless.  Your claims of "I am sure he is a great guy" notwithstanding, anyone who is "paying attention" as you put it can clearly see the attacks.  Your "one flight to vulch" comment above is a clear example, as you have no idea how he got his kills, but choose to put it in the most negative light you can.

But, you are correct, Bruv doesn't need defending, and I am doing so only as an afterthought.  I just enjoy pointing out the pomposity of some posters from time to time.
 
But don't worry, Steve, I am sure you are a nice guy and didn't mean it to come across like it did, so I will leave it be.

Let's continue because you've misinterpreted a couple of things.  I'm not saying his way of flying is inferior to mine. The fact is, Bruv plays with rank in mind. I'm not saying this is somehow less noble than the way I play.
My way of flying is no measure of skill either. What I mean is, I fly a 51.  IMHO a 51 is much easier to survive in the MA than say.. a spit 5. Even though I was ranked #1 in fighters, we know I'm by no means the best stick in the game.  Sure, I can do ok in a 51, but put me in say a jug, 38 or hog against some of those guys that fly them regularly and they'd eat my lunch. We could make a list of those guys but it would take up pages.

  Furthermore I didn't call into question Bruv's skill in this game, that's unfair. My posts are an indictment of the ranking system, as a measure of skill, not Bruv.
 I said ranking system is no measure of skill because it can be gamed. Even if everyone played all the time in fighter mode it still wouldn't be a perfect measure because people enjoy flying different planes, with varying capabilities. Also, people fly with different goals in mind, some of which are not conducive to a high rank.

As far as the small sample.. look at August. Bruv had 202 kills in fighter mode, he had more kills than that in perk planes. I will bet almost every kill he had in fighter mode was in a perk ride. What's my point? Bruv plays for rank, that's my point. That's it. Frankly, this is common knowledge.

Some people "look down" upon score toads and I think that is hypocritical. You know the guys, the guys that "live for the fight" and then curse at you for not giving up whatever advantage you developed to fight them evenly. I find those people to be real hypocrites. Part of the MA environment and combat is the events that occur before the merge. Positioning, load out, angle, timing, plane choice.  All this is part of the combat sequence that the "Live for the fight" guys fail to see as part of the equation. You wont find score toads like Bruv trying to tell them how to fly yet they will type all over 200 all day, calling people runners or cowards... whatever the case may be. Score toading is no worse, or better, than those dedicated 1v1 guys. At least score toads don't fill up the text buffer with self righteous indignation.
The "live for the fight" guys have some misguided sense of being better, more noble,  than the toads. I will never understand this.

Finally, as I said, I do not think the ranking system is an accurate measure of skill but I am not campaigning for it's discontuance. I think the score/rank system has its' uses and, more importantly, I can only come up with one idea to make the ranking a little more accurate. I don't think there is a way to significantly alter the system to make it reflect skill level.  <S>

[E25280]

Let's continue because you've misinterpreted a couple of things . . .

Fair enough!

. . . so I will leave it be.

[Anaxogoras]

If there's anything that would make fighter rank more relevant, it would be to make the ENY of the aircraft you fly more relevant.  But before that, they have to redo the ENY values of all the fighters.

[PFactorDave]

Proof that rank means little...  I found myself ranked 23 overall this morning!  That's just silly.    I think they left a couple zeroes off the end of my rank.