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Re: Service oriented Business owners/contractors question. Advertising
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2008, 11:13:22 PM »
Well it really depends what kind of service you intend to provide. You need to give a clue as to what you are doing before anyone can tell you the best opinion. I've done a lot of advertising but it really depends on who you are trying to reach, with out that info it's pointless to give an opinion.

I've done some advertising as well (not for business... mostly for non-profit organizations). He's correct, each service/business should really tailor their advertising to their target customer base.
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2008, 10:30:59 AM »

you're wrong.


i own a repair shop. i sell(obviously) automotive repairs, diagnosis's, and maintenance. i do it very well. if i can get the customer in the door, i can sell them SOMETHING. i never resort to selling something the vehicle doesn't need.


a friend of mine owns a corsetry shop in philly. i help her out there sometimes fixing things.

about a month ago, this couple comes in, looking for things for her to wear. the sales girls were both busy with other customers, so i stepped in and asked if i could help them. the woman went over to look at some miniskirts while the husband told me what they were looking for. i asked him if he knew what size she wore, he did, so i pulled a couple things off the shelf for them.

 to shorten it up, they walked out with almost $700 of corset, and fetishy colthes for her.

 they did come back to buy more, a few weeks ago, and although the salesgirls weren't busy this time, they wanted me to help them.


so, yes.......selling is selling, if you're selling shoes, repairs, whatever. it all works the same.

 treat the customer well, and they'll come back, and most likely send friends back to you too.

dred,......i'm getting ready to leave for the day...when i log back on tonight or tomorrow, i'll go through what works for me so far, ok?

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yup, spot on.  selling is discovering what the customer wants and then getting it for them.  sometimes finding what they want is more about listening and observing to merely hearing what someone is saying.

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Re: Service oriented Business owners/contractors question. Advertising
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2008, 10:42:52 AM »
thirty years in business and I never advertise.  our work advertises for us.
Yep. Same with my company (the one I work for, not the imaginary one I own  ;)). If you're in a field where you can make a name for yourself through quality work, you'll be swimming in referrals.

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2008, 10:54:10 AM »
Localized print and direct mail strategies will eventually generate some response. Unless you hit the customer lottery it takes a while to get in front of the right lead at the right moment. Casual meetings can pay off really well too. Problem is, you can't really take control of that kind of strategy. Print ads are great if the market's ripe, you just need to scale the effort to fit your resources.

I've seen guys do well using tactics I wouldn't touch with a stick, the "storm chaser's" come immediately to mind, but even they sometimes develop a good client or two.

Referrals are the key to longevity in any business. The contact costs little or nothing and you're already pre-qualified walking in the door. Developing them is the key. I try to patronize or refer my customers' businesses when I can, send a bunch of holiday cards, follow up whenever I get wind of a relation that's "thinking of doing something", and of course, ask. There's a moment when your client is especially receptive to providing referrals and if you bother to ask, you can usually get a name or two.

Another twist on the flyer strategy is to hit the area where you have a job or recent completion. Not much, just the same block. It works better for exteriors but the fundamental idea is the same. If you work an area that gets a decent amount of side walk traffic, stab a pole mounted flyer box in the grass next to your truck. People do take them if they're in the market. By the way, it seems to work better if you do your own flyer distribution. Best done on a weekend when people are out. Face time is real important.

Oh, and answer your phone, first or second ring if possible. Small contractors lose more business by letting voice mail handle their calls than by doing poor work. If it's a bad time to take a call, just beg for the permission to call back in a few.

Sales and marketing are actually completely different if closely related disciplines. Proficiency in one does not assure skill in the other. But they have one thing in common. They require one to receive before one can effectively project. Or more simply put, look and listen before you open your mouth.

For those that felt their invaluable advice required a deeper clarification of Dred's specific profile, I suggest you read his original post. It pretty much tells you what you need to know.

The other reality is most businesses don't think of promotions until there's a problem. They look into spending money to attract business just when the cash flow dries up. The old Reactive/Proactive dialog. Develop a few good habits and practice them daily and it will usually pay off. Most people in the trades hate selling, marketing, or prospecting. Consequently they tend to respond to letting somebody else handle the task (Service Magic, Yellow pages, Newspapers) but unless you're too busy to do it yourself, you won't get near the same effect as you will by taking control of who you put your name in front of.

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2008, 01:06:12 PM »
Yep. Same with my company (the one I work for, not the imaginary one I own  ;)). If you're in a field where you can make a name for yourself through quality work, you'll be swimming in referrals.
not referrals, actual orders.  hi you did mr so n so's gates.  we want you to come over and help us out with ours.  that is the most common thing I hear on the phone.

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2008, 01:32:50 PM »
Ya, with all those crazy Cubans running around who wouldn't want some serious security! ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2008, 10:57:59 PM »
Yep. Same with my company (the one I work for, not the imaginary one I own  ;)). If you're in a field where you can make a name for yourself through quality work, you'll be swimming in referrals.

so how many of us do you think are owning "imaginary" companies?

mine is new, but it is real.

google john's car care in cherry hill nj if ya don't believe me. or go on napa's website, and look for the same shop name in cherry hill.

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2008, 11:05:56 PM »
yup, spot on.  selling is discovering what the customer wants and then getting it for them.  sometimes finding what they want is more about listening and observing to merely hearing what someone is saying.

yep..that's exactly what i did.

it's what i do when i'm selling repair work too. i listen to them concrening their problems. get the info. then diagnose.

 when i'm listening to them describe their problem, i get a feel for their personality. this helps me when i find the problem, and need to sell the fix.

 you can apply the same in anything. listen, learn. treat the customer as if he/she were a friend. THAT by itself goes miles.

 DRED..........

what DID NOT work for me so far:

church flyers(St. Pius X) right around the corner from my shop.
place mats(the ones in the diners with a couple dozen ads on them)
money mailers(or what ever they're called)

what DID work to some extent:

phone  calls. i call some people from the customer list EVERY single day if i have time.

word of mouth. i've had people come in otw canada from florida, because their brother-in-law is a customer

signage. i had a portble sign out front till cherry hill said i couldn't as it was against the code. THAT brought a lot of curious NEW customers in. now i have my E-350 cargo van letered up, as that is allowed.

 what you said you do with business cards is good too.....i haven't tried that yet, but will be putting them around now that i read your idea.


good luck dude!!
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2008, 11:09:51 PM »
Localized print and direct mail strategies will eventually generate some response. Unless you hit the customer lottery it takes a while to get in front of the right lead at the right moment. Casual meetings can pay off really well too. Problem is, you can't really take control of that kind of strategy. Print ads are great if the market's ripe, you just need to scale the effort to fit your resources.

I've seen guys do well using tactics I wouldn't touch with a stick, the "storm chaser's" come immediately to mind, but even they sometimes develop a good client or two.

Referrals are the key to longevity in any business. The contact costs little or nothing and you're already pre-qualified walking in the door. Developing them is the key. I try to patronize or refer my customers' businesses when I can, send a bunch of holiday cards, follow up whenever I get wind of a relation that's "thinking of doing something", and of course, ask. There's a moment when your client is especially receptive to providing referrals and if you bother to ask, you can usually get a name or two.

Another twist on the flyer strategy is to hit the area where you have a job or recent completion. Not much, just the same block. It works better for exteriors but the fundamental idea is the same. If you work an area that gets a decent amount of side walk traffic, stab a pole mounted flyer box in the grass next to your truck. People do take them if they're in the market. By the way, it seems to work better if you do your own flyer distribution. Best done on a weekend when people are out. Face time is real important.

Oh, and answer your phone, first or second ring if possible. Small contractors lose more business by letting voice mail handle their calls than by doing poor work. If it's a bad time to take a call, just beg for the permission to call back in a few.

Sales and marketing are actually completely different if closely related disciplines. Proficiency in one does not assure skill in the other. But they have one thing in common. They require one to receive before one can effectively project. Or more simply put, look and listen before you open your mouth.

For those that felt their invaluable advice required a deeper clarification of Dred's specific profile, I suggest you read his original post. It pretty much tells you what you need to know.

The other reality is most businesses don't think of promotions until there's a problem. They look into spending money to attract business just when the cash flow dries up. The old Reactive/Proactive dialog. Develop a few good habits and practice them daily and it will usually pay off. Most people in the trades hate selling, marketing, or prospecting. Consequently they tend to respond to letting somebody else handle the task (Service Magic, Yellow pages, Newspapers) but unless you're too busy to do it yourself, you won't get near the same effect as you will by taking control of who you put your name in front of.

the only thing i disagree with is the phone. i never even attempt to answer on the first ring. it looks as if you're just sitting there waiting for it to ring. i always go for 2 or 3 rings.

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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2008, 11:11:44 PM »
When my father and I started our business we found that the yellow pages and newspaper were really helpful.  Now we have started getting free advertising by doing work for charitable organizations, inviting the public to help out, and then we get alot of business from the people who show up to help.

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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2008, 11:31:47 PM »
Ten years painting/waterproofing only advertising has been a card, company profile, a smile and a hand shake. You can't beat the personal touch. Oh and then sign writing the vans to help with parking issues in town. The rest has been word of mouth...honesty is your best advert especially when it comes to the contracting field.

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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2008, 11:42:09 PM »
Ten years painting/waterproofing only advertising has been a card, company profile, a smile and a hand shake. You can't beat the personal touch. Oh and then sign writing the vans to help with parking issues in town. The rest has been word of mouth...honesty is your best advert especially when it comes to the contracting field.

and the automotive field. automotive techs, have that "grease monkey" reputation still going on. women still feel uncomfortable dealing with some of them, although i've been pretty good at making women feel comfortable in my shop........

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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2008, 12:31:47 AM »

you're wrong.


i own a repair shop. i sell(obviously) automotive repairs, diagnosis's, and maintenance. i do it very well. if i can get the customer in the door, i can sell them SOMETHING. i never resort to selling something the vehicle doesn't need.


a friend of mine owns a corsetry shop in philly. i help her out there sometimes fixing things.

about a month ago, this couple comes in, looking for things for her to wear. the sales girls were both busy with other customers, so i stepped in and asked if i could help them. the woman went over to look at some miniskirts while the husband told me what they were looking for. i asked him if he knew what size she wore, he did, so i pulled a couple things off the shelf for them.

 to shorten it up, they walked out with almost $700 of corset, and fetishy colthes for her.

 they did come back to buy more, a few weeks ago, and although the salesgirls weren't busy this time, they wanted me to help them.


so, yes.......selling is selling, if you're selling shoes, repairs, whatever. it all works the same.

 treat the customer well, and they'll come back, and most likely send friends back to you too.

dred,......i'm getting ready to leave for the day...when i log back on tonight or tomorrow, i'll go through what works for me so far, ok?

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He's not asking about selling once they get in the door.. He's asking how to best advertise to get them in the door.. There is a very big difference and I'll give you a bit of my history.

I started a lawn service when I was in high school at age 17 and ran it 10 years. In that time I went from doing only residential lawns to doing nothing but commercial accounts. When I did residential I did door to door, word of mouth or ads in small local papers. When I did the commercial accounts, I did very little advertising other than a very big add in the phone book and going out to personally drum up the work with various businesses person to person and bidding on govt contracts.

I then started a used car dealership but just did it on the side and advertising was totally different there.. Phone book was useless to me I did nothing but newspaper classified adds mixed with the auto trader.

I sold the lawn service and took over a small floor cleaning company that had a good contract. This business I did no advertising at all, I pulled in all the work by going out and meeting face to face with store managers. Advertising in the phone book or paper wouldn't have brought me much biz because it's just wasn't the type of biz that is in high demand. Typically once you had a contract you kept it unless the store manager was a A hole or you screwed up.

I got out of the floor biz and car dealer ship about the same time and took some time off and now I run websites. Which is a whole different animal in reguard to advertising but I can tell you I have had lots of experience in 4 different business at this point in my life and every single one of them was different in it's advertising.

Again he wasn't asking how to sell once they are in the door, he was asking how to best advertise to get them in the door and that really depends on what you are trying to sell. With out that info it's not much use trying to guess what will work best for him.
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Re: Service oriented Business owners/contractors question. Advertising
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2008, 05:59:52 AM »
"the only thing i disagree with is the phone. i never even attempt to answer on the first ring. it looks as if you're just sitting there waiting for it to ring. i always go for 2 or 3 rings."

Yeah, I've heard that too many times to count. It's a bad time to explain why I try to discourage that kind of "Theater of the Mind" approach but I will say that I was given that old chestnut early on by one of the best and it pays. You'll also find it's a habit of most of the real first class operations worldwide. But no bother. If that's your thing God Bless ya, doubtful it will alienate anybody.

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2008, 07:17:52 AM »
Moreso then needing advise.
I am curious as to compairing what folks find works for them the best.
And what they have found doesnt.
And seeing if anyone had any different results and new ideas to try.

I figure with the traditional slow months the winter brings around here and already existing drop off due to the economic mindset people are in.
Its been a bizarre summer. decent spring. Insanely busy July. Nosedive in August. and now back to around normal in Sept.
The August slowdown though worked out well as insanity of July between work and some personal issues going on in my wifes family (Her mother has bladder cancer and isnt doing well) had me close to being burnt out.
I ended up Running a crew for a buddy of mine for a couple of weeks which seemed like a vacation in itself. All the authority with only about half the responsibility LOL

Anyway
I figure its better to start thinking of these things now then when winter does actually come.

Pretty much so far the things people have said works for them so far is the same things that works for me.

Word of mouth is by far how I get most of my work.
Second most is business cards in the store.
Actually selling isnt usually a problem.

I did get some work from Service Magic. But I found the investment/return ratio and aggravation with dealing with that company wasnt really worth it.
If you try it. You will get leads from SM. Just keep in mind most are either window shoppers or are very price oriented. And SM is less then helpful or co operative if you have a problem with them.

I've known other contractors who do get quite a bit of work from the paper version of the Yellow pages. (the phone book)
But those that do are the ones that take out the full page ads at thousands and thousands of dollars a year.
And even they get slow.

The rest so far are hit and miss.

I am getting a ton of people calling me lately looking for me to advertise with them though.
Couple of weeks ago I had someone repeatedly calling me wanting me to sign up for a year of their advertising service (which neither I nor anyone I know of around here has ever heard of) at $200 a month.
And wanted me to sign up for 2-3 years Telling me that that was what most of their clients signed up for(yea alright, HELLO) Telling me how I was going to be going on all these leads
They claimed they weren't a referral service but in talking to them it was clear thats exactly what they were.
After telling them no thank you a few times I finally said "Ok If your so confident of your service. there are two things I want and I want them in writing.
First I want the first month free as a trial period. Second And I want a 1 year contract. Not a 2 year contract.
If your so confident I will be able to land work. this shouldn't be a problem.  You invest 1 month and you end up getting me signed up for the remaining 11 if I like your service. Otherwise your just asking me to sign up for 2-3 years of another bill"
The lady on the hone replied with "Well I want a Mercedes and a diamond ring too But Im not going to get that either."
Heh. She aint gonna get it on my dime either.


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