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Offline Motherland

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2008, 01:27:36 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on September 09, 2008, 01:24:49 PM
Jesus is just one part of the Holy Trinity, God the Father, Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ.
Which would mean that 'God' and 'Jesus' are two separate entities.
There's no point in arguing, at all, past this point, since one side of the argument will say  that this is illogical and the other will say that God has made it that way and thus that is the way it is, disregarding logic... soooo....
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2008, 01:29:40 PM »
well ive always interpreted it as "God: the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ" (most CofE vicars seem to pause after "God") but hey, scholars are still arguing about this 2000yrs later...
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2008, 01:29:45 PM »
Quote from: E25280 on September 09, 2008, 01:18:39 PM
Since you "read" it and all?
yup, read the old testemant my 11th grade year in HS and the new my 12th grade year.  Mrs. Rodman, my Bible class teacher, was a great teacher and strict about her students reading the bible before graduating.  
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2008, 01:30:20 PM »
Quote from: Xargos on September 09, 2008, 01:26:12 PM
No, and neither is Marry.  Yet the Catholics seem to want to worship her as well.

Venerating/honoring and worshipping are two different things.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2008, 01:31:59 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on September 09, 2008, 01:23:36 PM
The Church didn't come into existence until after Christ had been crucified and rose from the dead, then ascended into Heaven.

When I say Church, I'm speaking of any large organized religion.  This would also include the man made global warming crowd.

P.S.  Don't forget how Jesus was tipping the tables of the money lenders at his Fathers Temple.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2008, 01:34:32 PM »
Quote from: RTHolmes on September 09, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
well ive always interpreted it as "God: the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ" but hey, scholars are still arguing about this 2000yrs later...
How could 'the Father' and 'Jesus' be one and the same if 'the Father' impregnated Mary to create 'Jesus'? Again, the argument is going to dissolve into 'because he said so', so...
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2008, 01:34:44 PM »
Quote from: RTHolmes on September 09, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
well ive always interpreted it as "God: the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ" (most CofE vicars seem to pause after "God") but hey, scholars are still arguing about this 2000yrs later...

Quote from: Motherland on September 09, 2008, 01:27:36 PM
Which would mean that 'God' and 'Jesus' are two separate entities.
There's no point in arguing, at all, past this point, since one side of the argument will say  that this is illogical and the other will say that God has made it that way and thus that is the way it is, disregarding logic... soooo....

The best analogy I've seen is - H2O: liquid, solid, gas  (water, ice, steam).  They are all H2O with differering appearances and properties...
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2008, 01:40:11 PM »
Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it.

---Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2008, 01:41:15 PM »
yeah thats pretty good JAGED. don't tell the Vatican though, they'll have to find new jobs for several hundred crusty old scholars :D
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2008, 01:42:39 PM »
Quote from: Motherland on September 09, 2008, 01:34:32 PM
How could 'the Father' and 'Jesus' be one and the same if 'the Father' impregnated Mary to create 'Jesus'? Again, the argument is going to dissolve into 'because he said so', so...

In the quantum world, how can an electron exist in two places at the same time?
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2008, 01:45:29 PM »
the trinity thing was decided long ago, back in the 4th or 5th century i think, all the church leaders had a conference, some favored the trinity others said Jesus was not god but the son of god. So they had a vote, the trinity group won, that is why you are now taught the trinity thing.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2008, 01:46:22 PM »
Quote from: Hangtime on September 09, 2008, 01:40:11 PM
Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it.

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2008, 01:49:02 PM »
Quote from: john9001 on September 09, 2008, 01:45:29 PM
the trinity thing was decided long ago, back in the 4th or 5th century i think, all the church leaders had a conference, some favored the trinity others said Jesus was not god but the son of god. So they had a vote, the trinity group won, that is why you are now taught the trinity thing.

More or less correct.  It was believed by those participating that the Holy Spirit would not allow them to make the wrong decision.  This because Jesus said, "Where 2, 3, or more, gather in my name, there I will be..."
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2008, 01:49:17 PM »
Quote from: john9001 on September 09, 2008, 01:45:29 PM
the trinity thing was decided long ago, back in the 4th or 5th century i think, all the church leaders had a conference, some favored the trinity others said Jesus was not god but the son of god. So they had a vote, the trinity group won, that is why you are now taught the trinity thing.

The vote only occurred after they killed off those who opposed their views.  The Church made it a policy to murder Gnostic Christians.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2008, 01:49:39 PM »
Quote from: Donzo on September 09, 2008, 01:42:39 PM
In the quantum world, how can an electron exist in two places at the same time?
Good question... I'm not a physicist so I could not tell you... however I'm sure the theory is backed up by mathematical equations and maybe observable evidence... not 'I read it in a 2000 year old book that has been translated through many languages and rewritten many times'.
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