Ron Paul News

[Jebus]

Paul's big announcement..... He will not Endorse John Mccain for POTUS.


Well atleast he is a man of his word.

[bsdaddict]

he said a little more than that...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/paul.endorsement/index.html

[moot]

Watch this hand the democrats the win...

[GtoRA2]

Doubt it Moot, by the time the election hits, no one will remember RP after all the mudslinging.

[DREDIOCK]

" Paul said that he had received a call from the McCain campaign Tuesday asking for his endorsement. Paul's response: "I don't like the idea of getting 2 to 3 million people [Paul supporters] angry at me."

McCain's aides argued that the Texas Republican should endorse McCain because he would do a "little less harm" than Obama, Paul said, but "we just don't need to do that anymore."

"If you ever get to the point where you believe the two parties are essentially the same, if the majority is outside of the establishment, it's not very democratic. The process is not working," Paul said.

Paul attacked Obama, saying, "He's not for change," and the congressman argued that his efforts would help the Republican Party.
If the Republican side realized what I'm trying to do, they should be funding me," Paul said.

They have Ron.
They know very well that both sides are essentially the same. They WANT they status quoe.
Neither side wants change. Change would mean they actually have to start working for the people instead of themselves,The media, and superlarge corperations
Change might mean that both sides might actually have to start following the constitution as it was originally intended. And not just make it up as they go along by giving us things like the Patriot Act and Anti gun legislation.
Change might mean they would have to expose all the cutsie little things they tuck inside of bills and disguise them as something else.

They know EXACTLY what you are about. And that is exactly why they arent funding you.

[DREDIOCK]

Watch this hand the democrats the win...

See, you speak like a true republican.
"McCain's aides argued that the Texas Republican should endorse McCain because he would do a "little less harm" than Obama, Paul said, but "we just don't need to do that anymore."

McCain "would do a little less harm"

BS.
Dispite all the fear mongering put out by both sides. No matter who wins. NOTHING is going to change significantly.
Guns arent going anywhere and neither is Abortion. If you actually beleive either is in danger of changing much. your fools
They are all just pulling on your heartstrings.
Playing you like a puppet. And you all are responding perfectly

The only mistake Paul made was he Didnt pick ONE candidate to endorse. Or that he didnt decide to run 3rd party himself.
IMO this was the election to shake things up and get a third party candidate in there.

The upside is if Obama wins.
Next election third party will have an even better shot.

[ROX]

And of course, his credentials...





Yup.  I'm sure he will do just fine.






ROX

[crockett]

The problem with Ron Paul is he's off the deep end. He sounds good for about 5 mins then next thing yea know he's talking about doing away with the post office and everything under the sun. In short Ron Paul sounds good in short sound bites but if you listen to him any lenght of time it's clear he's a crack pot.

I will say Ron Paul, Nader, Barr, McKinney at least all agree on where the country should go, but it will never happen.

We Agree

The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most important issues facing our nation. However, alternate candidates Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul on four key principles central to the health of our nation. These principles should be key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every election.

We Agree

Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.

Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.

The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.

The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.

[moot]

See, you speak like a true republican.

Dred my vote's going to Paul/Lib/Constitution party.

They are all just pulling on your heartstrings.
Playing you like a puppet. And you all are responding perfectly

He can tug all he wants at my constitutionality string..

[DREDIOCK]

Dred my vote's going to Paul/Lib/Constitution party.He can tug all he wants at my constitutionality string..

My apologies then.
But it really wast directed all at you.
Mostly "team" supporters here so its not hard to see how I might make that kind of mistake.

Its my experience that about 90% of the people who scream "down with Obama" Or "Down with Mccain" Really are only saying down with one party over the other.
Wouldnt matter who which side put up. Only the names would change.

They play to whichever side is pushing their particular panic button about the other.

I am still undecided. But it is more likely I'll be "wasting" my vote voting outside of the two big parties.
I already declared myself and the country a winner as soon as Hillary was knocked out.
As for the remaining two. Neither side really bowls me over.
Neither party impresses me...at all.
 I dont particularly care for Obama. but McCain doesnt present enough of anything to really win me over.
Obama could win my vote if he promised to rid us of The Patriot act. But thats not going to happen inasmuch as he voted for it to begin with.


If I were to vote for one just to keep the other out. it would probably be Mccain like the rest of you.
But I cant in good conscience vote one way just to keep the other out anymore.
Neither deserves the position. Neither is good for the country IMO.
At some point we all have to make a stand. Other wise election after election its just going ot be the same thing over and over.

And its supposed to be for who is best for the country. Not for who is the least worst.
So thats whom I am going to vote for. Whomever I think is best. Even if it is third party.
And if the third party votes keep one side or the other from getting elected.
No matter which side it is. They will have wholeheartedly earned that loss. 110%

There is that old saying that "the definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results."

Well thats exactly what we do when all we do is vote for the same people into office time and time again.
Often we vote the very same people into higher office that helped get us into the screwed up situations to begin with.
This is the case with McCain and Obama.
They helped screw us. Now we're supposed to reward one of them with a big promotion.

This is like a rape victim thanking the rapist for raping them and then giving them a job.

[DREDIOCK]

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And of course, his credentials...


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Yup.  I'm sure he will do just fine.






ROX

And you think either or both of of the two other choices are any less loony?
Or the way in which people vote are any less loony?

Got news for ya. If Paul had won the nomination. Literally every single McCain supporter here would pretty much be in lock step with him just like they are with McCain now.

[moot]

Dred - I still don't like McCain's immigration stance.  The subject hasn't come up in a number of months, but I still think it's a major issue.  A short while back, it was said McCain had too little economics know-how, and that too doesn't seem really resolved by Palin's addition to the ticket.  Then there's McCain's history of what may be genuine flip-floppin, and a vote history that's pretty close to Bush.  So the McCain tally could be anywhere from mediocre to really pretty bad.. Or he could pull one out of his sleeves and really do things right, like Palin is being championed for.

"Trusting" politicians is always a dodgy bet, but so far I think McCain and Palin could deserve some benefit of the doubt...  I still think the authentic constitutional parties are the ones who'd go in the best direction, but if Palin can show some integrity, she might be the one to start the ball rolling that way and make the constitutional parties seem less far out.

[Ciaphas]

and  Besides, Ron Paul kicked chucks arse!  

[ROX]

And you think either or both of of the two other choices are any less loony?
Or the way in which people vote are any less loony?

Got news for ya. If Paul had won the nomination. Literally every single McCain supporter here would pretty much be in lock step with him just like they are with McCain now.

Ron Paul has only proven he got washed out of the race because the majority of Americans whatched his race seriously--were very impressed by 70% of his views on taxes, war on terrorism, illegal aliens, and fixes to the housing markets....

Then they were turned off to the point of being freightened that the other 30% of his views seemed like they were coming out of the head of a complete crackpot...complete with 

He had his shot.  The debates did him in.





ROX

[bongaroo]

Ron Paul has only proven he got washed out of the race because the majority of Americans whatched his race seriously--were very impressed by 70% of his views on taxes, war on terrorism, illegal aliens, and fixes to the housing markets....

Then they were turned off to the point of being freightened that the other 30% of his views seemed like they were coming out of the head of a complete crackpot...complete with 

He had his shot.  The debates did him in.





ROX

And back to disagreement.  Oh well.

So instead of just running around calling him a "crackpot"; would you actually care to put out in writing what makes him or the policies he represents crazy?