And that's exactly what happened last night Krusty, I'm sure you were below me about 10k at one point, was near a bish base but can't remember the base #. Looked behind me and there was half the Bish Airforce in the usuall 16's etc all fighting each other to claim the 109 prize, next time I'll stay higer and fly a bit smarter, it didn't put me off fying the G6 though, think I'll stick with it a bit, btw, had my convergence set for d300 for both weapons, not sure if I should have the Cannon on the same convergence as the MG's though.