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Offline Schlowy

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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #165 on: September 21, 2008, 12:26:00 PM »
Anyone get a (bias) source on the author?
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if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #166 on: September 21, 2008, 12:35:15 PM »
Quote from: Schlowy on September 21, 2008, 12:26:00 PM
Anyone get a (bias) source on the author?

33percent, ok, this with or without the mg damage?
Can you be more specific?

33% would be for the Hispano Mk V firing at 12.5 rps.  http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php has the Hispano armed aircraft firing at that rate, which is what I relied on for that figure.  Supposedly, our Spitfires have the Hispano II, which had a rof of 10 rps, but when I test it offline it's more like 11 rps.

I think it's safe to say that our AH Hispano cannon has about 20% more gunpower than the MG 151.  When you compare the 4 cannons of the FW-190A-8 to the four cannons of the Typhoon, the typhoon might have 80% more gunpower than the FW-190A8 (not counting the 190's mg's).
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2008, 12:43:25 PM »
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2008, 12:44:30 PM »
Ok, so this would be my final calulation (I hope):

Tony Williams' site http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm shows this:

Hispano II
Rof: 10
Gunpower: 200

Hispano V
Rof: 12.5
Gunpower: 250

so a 25% increase in rof gives a 25% increase in gunpower, that's straightforward enough.

If our Hispano cannon has a rof of 11rps, then its gunpower is 220.

The MG 151/20, at 12 rps (confirmed offline in AH), has a gunpower rating of 192.

So the Hispano in AH has ~15% more gunpower than the MG 151/20.
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2008, 12:50:52 PM »
So, if you want to compare the Typhoon to the Fw-190A8:

Typhoon gunpower: 880
FW190A8 gunpower: 768 + 48x2 (for the mg's) = 864

Only looking at cannon, the Typhoon has the 190A-8 outclassed in terms of gunpower, adding in the mg's of the 190 it should be almost equal.
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2008, 03:05:51 PM »
Anyone who thinks an A5 is not a knife fighter is in for a nasty surprise.
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2008, 06:27:49 PM »
So many of the 190 pilots online only know how to 'roll and cut' now...



I guess the idea is to wait for you to overshoot...  :rolleyes:
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2008, 06:53:43 PM »
Naah, yer not biased!  :rofl
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if the BoB is proof the spitty was better, then the Battle of Dieppe is proof the 109 was better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2008, 07:33:04 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on September 21, 2008, 06:27:49 PM
So many of the 190 pilots online only know how to 'roll and cut' now...



I guess the idea is to wait for you to overshoot...  :rolleyes:

They shouldn't need to cut. The A5 can do a really nice fast scissors that can milk an overshoot easily without chopping the throttle. Whilst the 190 isn't one of the best turning aircraft in AH it is one of the fastest at changing direction, hence it can make a nasty knife fighter if flown correctly and with good SA.
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2008, 11:05:13 PM »
Quote from: BnZ on September 21, 2008, 01:26:31 AM
I took the 109 G2 up offline and tapped single rounds into the left wing of the Pony at ~200. Took 6.

Did the same thing with the P-38. (It has a Hispano right?) Took 5.

Is there any kind of "damage randomizing" effect for impacts to the same spot on the same plane?

Doesn't seem too bad. I guess ROF is the deal-breaker.

Hit the same spot eh?  :rofl   :O
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Offline Xasthur

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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #175 on: September 21, 2008, 11:08:56 PM »
Pffft, fly with Mk 108 30mm cannon as your primary weappn for a tour and then talk to me about rate of fire, you big girls! :lol: :D
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #176 on: September 21, 2008, 11:09:32 PM »
Close enough. I don't think the damage model does things like take into account whether you are hitting the main spar on the exact same spot every time, or some such complexity.
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #177 on: September 24, 2008, 01:26:22 AM »
Maybe it's just me, but I see alot more folks flying the 190 lately and landing some nice kill scores in it...and not only those crazy JG squads either.
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Re: The FW-190 series is the most poorly flown plane in the game
« Reply #178 on: September 24, 2008, 02:18:47 AM »
I think the 190 is one of the easiest planes to land a 20+ kill sortie in. It might take a couple of re-arms but the 190 can get you in and out the fight with ease. Even the A8 can get you a nice swag of kills
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