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Offline Scherf

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Re: Mosquito
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2008, 04:22:24 PM »
If they do bring the XVI into the game though, folks are going to have to realise that, as the air is filled with hawgs and stangs and stuff, and no night, they're not going to be able to fly with 1% loss rates.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2008, 04:45:37 PM »
If they do bring the XVI into the game though, folks are going to have to realise that, as the air is filled with hawgs and stangs and stuff, and no night, they're not going to be able to fly with 1% loss rates.
No, not 1% loss rate, but certainly a lower loss rate than any other bomber besides the Ar234 if the player takes the time to climb to 25,000+ft.  By the time even a Bf109K-4 climbs up there the Mosquito will be many, many miles ahead.
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2008, 09:01:37 PM »
It should be slapped with a fairly hefty perk, I think.

If you want to fly something that will be nearly untouchable when flown like a real bomber and also has the potential to be a very fast and very manueverable suicide hangar/CV/GV porker.... you need to pay for it.

I haven't decided if it would be a good idea or not... I love the Mossi but I hate bombers and tards that pork the FHs at a good fight (friendly or red guys). At least when some spanner in a bunch of 24s or Lancs carpets the FHs you can run his lame cartoon-arse down and shoot him down.

I can imagine squads of griefers rolling 3+ Mossi bombers.... No chance of FHs, little chance of an intercept and even if you did catch them, they'd still turn it into a dogfight (sans guns on one end) allowing the others to get away.

Could be fun... but the potential for retardation is high.
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Re: Mosquito
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2008, 01:56:35 AM »
FHs down a problem? I use it as an excuse to visit the throne get a fresh beer make a sandwich and so on.  :D
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2008, 05:03:04 AM »
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It should be slapped with a fairly hefty perk, I think.

If you want to fly something that will be nearly untouchable when flown like a real bomber and also has the potential to be a very fast and very manueverable suicide hangar/CV/GV porker.... you need to pay for it.

Arch I would think that it would need to be high to get its speed, down low (15k or less) it wouldn't be that fast that it couldn't be caught. So yes it might become the Pork King, but it wont be able to run away.

Anyway lets wait and see if/when we get it.
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2008, 04:06:50 PM »
 I'd like to see the mossie get a makeover,Mk16's would be nice so would a Mk18,however I'd prefer HTC to remove the dampers and bring our mossie to AHII standards. :aok

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2008, 05:37:15 PM »
Oh how I agree wholeheartedly that out beloved Mossi Mk6 needs an update and model correction.  It has been proven multiple times that the dampers were far less common than the un-damper'ed Mossi Mk6's.  Our current Mossi is too slow by 5-15mph depending on alt.  Giving it a facelift would do a big welcome.

I also agree and have vouched for in other threads that the Mossi deserves more than one variant.  I'm not too sure that the "cookie" needs to be added, but I would like to see the 6/500lb version available (Mk16?).



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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2008, 06:04:18 PM »
All Mk XVIs were 'cookie' capable.

And yes, the six 500lber is also the MK XVI.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2008, 06:23:27 PM »
Also consider the dweebishness and effect of having a fast, maneuverable aircraft that can handily carry a 4,000lb bomb on GVs.  If unperked kamikaze Mosquito B.Mk XVIs would be very, very common against GV attacks.

I agree, I hope they dont dweeb up the mossy, currently she is a subtle and little known monster and I would like to keep it that way.

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Re: Mosquito
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2008, 06:46:44 PM »
Agreed Batty!!!

 The real mossie had it's quirks and I think the FM is fine,could use a boost in speed but I'd be happy if they just made her a pretty as she was in RL......

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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2008, 07:19:26 PM »
i second that morf :)
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2008, 06:32:05 AM »
I prefer the mossie before it was altered.  To me it feels like it was given something that limits it's AoA; below ~200mph you can just pull the stick back into your chest without fear of stalling, unless you are hamfisted with the rudder.  It also acquired the need for excessive trimming at speeds greater than 240mph if you want to achieve anywhere near full elevator deflection.
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Re: Mosquito
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2008, 10:25:09 AM »
It should be slapped with a fairly hefty perk, I think.

If you want to fly something that will be nearly untouchable when flown like a real bomber and also has the potential to be a very fast and very manueverable suicide hangar/CV/GV porker.... you need to pay for it.

I haven't decided if it would be a good idea or not... I love the Mossi but I hate bombers and tards that pork the FHs at a good fight (friendly or red guys). At least when some spanner in a bunch of 24s or Lancs carpets the FHs you can run his lame cartoon-arse down and shoot him down.

I can imagine squads of griefers rolling 3+ Mossi bombers.... No chance of FHs, little chance of an intercept and even if you did catch them, they'd still turn it into a dogfight (sans guns on one end) allowing the others to get away.

Could be fun... but the potential for retardation is high.
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The only tards I know of are the ones who decide their tail chasing furballing shouldnt be interfered with and then strut around like Queens of the cartoon air making up the rules of the game as they see fit.

Fact is the game has rules based on an actual war. Dont like it? Then find another game. Another fact is the Mossie was a remarkably successful attack aircraft in the war. Unprecedented really. Bloody crazy Brits! Who else would make an airplane like that out of wood?

6 X 500 lbs = 3,000 lbs. Less then you can load on a P-47N, which is also fast as all get out. Even if you perk Mossie formations nobody cares about bomber perks anyways. And besides Ive seen hordes of B-17s make 3 or 4 passes over an airfield without anyone bothering to leave their 1,000' furball to go after them.

I like the Mossie as is. Tho I certainly wouldnt mind a bit more speed.
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2008, 11:14:19 AM »
Fact is the game has rules based on an actual war. Dont like it? Then find another game.

Do you even PLAY this game?

None of the gameplay rules in this game are based on what folks experienced in WW2. They are conventions to keep the gameplay moving in a fair and balanced manner. War is neither, to quote Hitech. This is a game, not war, and needs to have fairness and balance.

P.S. The Mossie was effective because of nuisance raids. It had its hits and its misses (like any other attacker) and its main reason for being "so successful" was speed and sneakiness. When they were spotted enemy fighters couldn't close to their position fast enough. However, plane for plane the LW planes could catch it at almost any alt. The problem is taking off miles away, vectoring in, and THEN chasing them. By the time that happened the mossies were gone.

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Re: Mosquito
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2008, 12:12:27 PM »
Do you even PLAY this game?

None of the gameplay rules in this game are based on what folks experienced in WW2. They are conventions to keep the gameplay moving in a fair and balanced manner. War is neither, to quote Hitech. This is a game, not war, and needs to have fairness and balance.

P.S. The Mossie was effective because of nuisance raids. It had its hits and its misses (like any other attacker) and its main reason for being "so successful" was speed and sneakiness. When they were spotted enemy fighters couldn't close to their position fast enough. However, plane for plane the LW planes could catch it at almost any alt. The problem is taking off miles away, vectoring in, and THEN chasing them. By the time that happened the mossies were gone.

Whatever that means? My point was strategies like hangar bombing and base taking are part and parcel of the game. They are included in the game rules. The airplanes in the game are modeled like the airplanes of WW-ll. There are tactical and strategic targets just like the actual war. Hangars are legitimate targets.

Not that I hangar bang anymore. Ive gone from a 100% bomber stick to a guy thats prevents bombers from upping with ords. But I dont snivel when the Nits or Bish drop our FHs, which happens all the time.

But lets do keep this conversation up. Ive spent far to many months trying to understand you to quit now.
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