Political Correctness?

[wrag]

Couple of articles about .....................


What does this bring to mind?

"crimethink - To even consider any thought not in line with the principles of Ingsoc. Doubting any of the principles of Ingsoc. All crimes begin with a thought. So, if you control thought, you can control crime. "Thoughtcrime is death. Thoughtcrime does not entail death, Thoughtcrime is death.... The essential crime that contains all others in itself.""


http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-prin.html

And....

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html#crimethink


are we talkin political correct here?


is this some of it?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_drumbeat.html

how about this part from the below....

"Friedman gives no consideration to the reality that Palin’s popularity among America’s grassroots derives from her down-to-earth wholesomeness and above all, her unabashed devotion to conservatism and the traditional values of heartland America. In his world, she is simply the result of media attention, as if it was ever positive in its assessment of her. Thus does he maintain, in the vanity of his own imagination (along with the equally empty contemplations of his fellow media minions), that the ebb and flow of America’s political landscape is really all about him and his kind."

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/09/17/palin-phenomenon-accelerates-downfall-of-old-media/

[Anaxogoras]

I don't think "political correctness" is a strong enough term to cover the kind of thought-control you present here.  Anthropologists and Sociologists study this kind of stuff, and frequently make a division between cultural vs. institutional control of individuals.  Cultural control pertains to language, taboos and root assumptions in a society that limit the possibility to think freely.  Institutional control pertains to codified laws and sanctions in a society that have the same aim, the limitation of free thought.  Political correctness is a kind of cultural control, but a rather benign one when compared to controls that appear in language and root assumptions.

Edit: didn't see the second half that you added with the edit.

[wrag]

I don't think "political correctness" is a strong enough term to cover the kind of thought-control you present here.  Anthropologists and Sociologists study this kind of stuff, and frequently make a division between cultural vs. institutional control of individuals.  Cultural control pertains to language, taboos and root assumptions in a society that limit the possibility to think freely.  Institutional control pertains to codified laws and sanctions in a society that have the same aim, the limitation of free thought.  Political correctness is a kind of cultural control, but a rather benign one when compared to controls that appear in language and root assumptions.

Edit: didn't see the second half that you added with the edit.

Sorry! Probably should have read further before I posted....

I had continued reading and thought the additional stuff I added afterward sorta fit so I put it in.

[Hangtime]

Whatever restraints society tries to impose on the mind of individuals, the choice for freedom remains in this arena at least, a personal one. I am free, regardless of the rules that surround me. If I find them reasonable, I accept them. If they are not reasonable, I ignore them. I remain free because I understand that I alone am the only one morally responsible for what I do.

Abstract tagging.. 'PC speak', is just mumbo-jumbo.. like any other form of tagging via 'labels'. Democrat, Republican, Independent.. just abstract tagging so others can read the program instead of using their own minds. Most folks of the 'political label' variety can actually be better grouped as those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

I have no desire to be either labeled, or controlled.

That makes me, in this society; a very dangerous man.

[Anaxogoras]

Friedman gives no consideration to the reality that Palin’s popularity among America’s grassroots derives from her down-to-earth wholesomeness and above all, her unabashed devotion to conservatism and the traditional values of heartland America. In his world, she is simply the result of media attention, as if it was ever positive in its assessment of her. Thus does he maintain, in the vanity of his own imagination (along with the equally empty contemplations of his fellow media minions), that the ebb and flow of America’s political landscape is really all about him and his kind.

It was helpful to read the whole article to make more sense of the above quote.  What's it's saying is that the media believes that it made Palin, that it's accountable for her rise, and therefore has the power to bring her down.

[CAP1]

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I have no desire to be either labeled, or controlled.

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aaahhhh, but you are both controlled AND labeled sir, just as everyone is, in some way shape or form/

[Hangtime]

Cap, my choices have always been mine. Due to the nature of the society we both live in our choices may have been similar... but regardless, what I chose, what I choose, I am responsible for. Nobody else.

I reject your label.

[uptown]

Whatever restraints society tries to impose on the mind of individuals, the choice for freedom remains in this arena at least, a personal one. I am free, regardless of the rules that surround me. If I find them reasonable, I accept them. If they are not reasonable, I ignore them. I remain free because I understand that I alone am the only one morally responsible for what I do.

Abstract tagging.. 'PC speak', is just mumbo-jumbo.. like any other form of tagging via 'labels'. Democrat, Republican, Independent.. just abstract tagging so others can read the program instead of using their own minds. Most folks of the 'political label' variety can actually be better grouped as those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

I have no desire to be either labeled, or controlled.

That makes me, in this society; a very dangerous man.

Outstanding sir   I am free, regardless of the rules that surround me.

[wrag]

It was helpful to read the whole article to make more sense of the above quote.  What's it's saying is that the media believes that it made Palin, that it's accountable for her rise, and therefore has the power to bring her down.

Thank you for actually reading the posted link Sir 

Too many don't and start jabberin OFF topic IMHO

[lasersailor184]

Cap, my choices have always been mine. Due to the nature of the society we both live in our choices may have been similar... but regardless, what I chose, what I choose, I am responsible for. Nobody else.

I reject your label.

You may reject the label, that doesn't mean that you aren't labeled.

[AKIron]

“There is no neutral ground in the universe; every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counter-claimed by Satan”

-C.S. Lewis


You may not believe in any supernatural being but it's hard to deny there's an immense struggle going on in the world today for the hearts and minds of humankind.

[CAP1]

Cap, my choices have always been mine. Due to the nature of the society we both live in our choices may have been similar... but regardless, what I chose, what I choose, I am responsible for. Nobody else.

I reject your label.

hang, just so you don't misunderstand me, i don't say anything to you to insult, disrespect, or degrade you, but.......


we ALL like to think that our choices, ideas, and beliefs have always been our own, when in fact they have not.
quite a few of your current beliefs have been instilled by your parents. some you gained on your own as you grew up, some you gained from watching tv, or movies, some you gained from friends.
 do you obey the speed limits? if you're a shooter, do you obey the laws required to own your weapons? if there's a spotcheck for drunk drivers, do you stop, and let the pd look inside your car? do you stop at red lights? do you keep your yard, and home to the same standards as your neighbors?

 if you said yes to any of these, you are controlled in some way by someone. like i said, we all are. the only ones that arent, would be the guy living in a cave growing his own food, and killing what he cannot grow.
 hell, i KNOW i am. i am much much more careful about my DL now, as my pilots lisence is linked to it. i lose my dl, there's  a good chance i csan lose my pl too.

[Hangtime]

hang, just so you don't misunderstand me, i don't say anything to you to insult, disrespect, or degrade you, but.......


we ALL like to think that our choices, ideas, and beliefs have always been our own, when in fact they have not.
quite a few of your current beliefs have been instilled by your parents. some you gained on your own as you grew up, some you gained from watching tv, or movies, some you gained from friends.
 do you obey the speed limits? if you're a shooter, do you obey the laws required to own your weapons? if there's a spotcheck for drunk drivers, do you stop, and let the pd look inside your car? do you stop at red lights? do you keep your yard, and home to the same standards as your neighbors?

 if you said yes to any of these, you are controlled in some way by someone. like i said, we all are. the only ones that arent, would be the guy living in a cave growing his own food, and killing what he cannot grow.
 hell, i KNOW i am. i am much much more careful about my DL now, as my pilots lisence is linked to it. i lose my dl, there's  a good chance i csan lose my pl too.

You missed the original statement. Here's the crux: I am free, regardless of the rules that surround me. If I find them reasonable, I accept them. If they are not reasonable, I ignore them. I remain free because I understand that I alone am the only one morally responsible for what I do.


A few examples.. I don't fasten my seatbelt. I don't 'ignore' stop signs.. I do slow down; but rarely come to a full stop. Unless there's a cop sitting there... then I might. My choice, still.  I'm observant. I think. I remain in control of myself and stay far enough away from authority and direct control as I can. I'm thinking about my situation and circumstances, I challenge authority by my very existence and adherence to my personal mantra...

I am free.. because I understand I am the only one morally responsible for my actions.

Live a little. Engage your brain. Challenge yourself in what you do. Defy authority. Be free.

[bustr]

Do this if you want to prove you are not constrained by PC and are a free MAN.

Next time your company notifies you that your yearly Sexual Harrassment class is due, sue your company for forcing you to tacitly agree you are a potential sexual harraser. If you take the class then sign off on it, ie.. you login with your company ID. You have very narrowly admitted you might be a sexual harraser. But then it gets hidden in the idea the whole company took the class, whats wrong with you?

If you as an American Citizen do not have the right to decline taking the class on the grounds that you are not a sexual harraser unless proven by a jury of 12 peers, but your company is cohersing you with your employment. You are not a free man.

It is the same concept as the laws that are being passed by states defending a citizens right to store their firearm in their car while it is parked in a company parking lot.

When I was notified I would have to sit in a diversity training class for one day taught by an african american, I brought to class records of slave ownership from the 1850's to the emancipation proclamation. Seems free blacks by population proportion owned more slaves than whites in the south. The largest owner and breeder of slaves in the Carolinas was a black man who sold one of his own daughters for $500.

When we got to the usual white guilt portion of the class based on slavery I submitted my information for the class. When the screeching by the sputtering and buldge eyed teacher setteled down, I then asked him if he being African american, does that mean he was born in Africa? He screamed some more.

I explained to the class that I was an authentic African American caucasian due to being born in Africa and his calling himself african american but, being born in Oakland Kalifornia was an insult to my heratige and went back to my daily job duties. The rest of the class went to lunch then back to work. HR tried to give me trouble at which point I showed them my birth certificate. Turns out I was the only authentic African American working for the company. My lawyer laughed all the way to the bank.

[Hangtime]

Do this if you want to prove you are not constrained by PC and are a free MAN.

Next time your company notifies you that your yearly Sexual Harrassment class is due, sue your company for forcing you to tacitly agree you are a potential sexual harraser. If you take the class then sign off on it, ie.. you login with your company ID. You have very narrowly admitted you might be a sexual harraser. But then it gets hidden in the idea the whole company took the class, whats wrong with you?

If you as an American Citizen do not have the right to decline taking the class on the grounds that you are not a sexual harraser unless proven by a jury of 12 peers, but your company is cohersing you with your employment. You are not a free man.

It is the same concept as the laws that are being passed by states defending a citizens right to store their firearm in their car while it is parked in a company parking lot.

When I was notified I would have to sit in a diversity training class for one day taught by an african american, I brought to class records of slave ownership from the 1850's to the emancipation proclamation. Seems free blacks by population proportion owned more slaves than whites in the south. The largest owner and breeder of slaves in the Carolinas was a black man who sold one of his own daughters for $500.

When we got to the usual white guilt portion of the class based on slavery I submitted my information for the class. When the screeching by the sputtering and buldge eyed teacher setteled down, I then asked him if he being African american, does that mean he was born in Africa? He screamed some more.

I explained to the class that I was an authentic African American caucasian due to being born in Africa and his calling himself african american but, being born in Oakland Kalifornia was an insult to my heratige and went back to my daily job duties. The rest of the class went to lunch then back to work. HR tried to give me trouble at which point I showed them my birth certificate. Turns out I was the only authentic African American working for the company. My lawyer laughed all the way to the bank.

bzzzzzzrt. Disqualified on the second sentence. Only way to avoid being a drone without choice is to refuse to accept the yoke. You wanna beat the man.. yah gotta be the man. Workin for the man makes you a slave. A 'victory' based on semantics is pretty hollow when you still have to stick your hand out at the end of the week and receive your token crust of bread for being their slave.

My advice... Learn a trade, use you hands and your mind to create your world on terms that you decide are appropriate.. Cap I believe owns his shop.. he's on the path to freedom. He's the Man. He just hasn't sat down and really thought about it yet.

Sitting in a cubicle sucking up to the boss's lackeys is not the path to freedom... not meant to disrespect those that make the drone career choice. Most never see their situations in the light of 'free choice and personal responsibility'... if it's company policy to deny the insurance claim they are reviewing.. they deny it. Drones. If they are comfortable and happy drones, then that's fine. But, I don't think of them as 'free'. They're just happy little cogs in the corporate machine, blindly following policy, no matter who gets screwed. The world as we know it still needs drones.. always will. I spent a fair piece of my life as a drone.. Military, private sector.. drone. Gave it up.. decided that wasn't my thing. Tossed the yoke, made my own and it's one that fits me well enough.

Your mileage may vary.

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