Author Topic: FAST ATTACK vs MA Mentality (Read 2109 times)

StSanta · « **Reply #30 on:** January 24, 2001, 04:30:00 AM »

Hang:

the MA might have changed, but the skill of 9./JG 54 "Grünherz" is still so much greater than anything else to eradicate such changes.

Gimme 5 190G8's, and all shall be destroyed

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Seriously though, very nice posts. I do think however that with 5-7 planes, it is possible to take out a small field despite it being contested. My squad has done so before, even though *only one egg* makes it difficult because of the dweeb ostwinds that ineitably have time to spawn in numbers following the equation [number of LW jabo's +1].

It'll be interesting when I get my joystick.

And STOP making the bishites look intelligent. We all know you're not. You must be part Knight, funked; which, incidentally, I can explain.

It has something to do with your mother, lots of beer, a blindfold for my father and a wild "post-capture-of-bishop-field-with-the-natural-plundering-and-copulations-with-the-native-population".

So who's yer daddy?

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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch

gatt · « **Reply #31 on:** January 24, 2001, 08:44:00 AM »

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And STOP making the bishites look intelligent. We all know you're not. You must be part Knight, funked

Simply evil. OTOH, I agree

Mighty1 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 24, 2001, 09:39:00 AM »

Don't worry your secret is safe with us Knights.

We have our own game plan and it goes something like this....

Knight1: Guys we are gonna lose P42 if you don't come down and help us!

Rest of Knights: No we have to keep A1!

Knight1: Guys we've lost P41 and 4 other bases and are getting ready to lose P22 come down and help us!

Rest of Knights: No we have to keep A1!

Knight1: Guys we've lost P22, A19 and A18 and they are headed for A17 can you come help?

Rest of Knights: No we have to keep A1!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #33 on:** January 24, 2001, 09:48:00 AM »

All warfare is based on deception. There is no place where espionage is not used. Offer the enemy bait to lure him. Sun Tzu [/i]

Hangtime · « **Reply #34 on:** January 24, 2001, 10:30:00 AM »

LOL Gatt.. I remember that run. 15 seconds on the target; and *BOOM*, "AAArrgh!!!" While in my chute; I looked around, and watched the fight progress. Our JABO ponies's were being sliced up as they came off target, no effective sweep was done first.. The ponies just ran in and started dropping ords on what the buffs were gonna hit anyway, instead of holding the airspace over the field and driving you guys down. Great defense btw... it's actions like that that vividly display the need for the various attack sections to clearly understand what the timing is and what the prioritys are.

I favor the using F6F's and F4U's in the JABO role; with air superiority at medium to high alts handled by light ponies, N1K's, 109/190's etc.... assuming I can get enuff JABO's and light fighters into the mission. If I have a fully staffed mission (15 planes) then if any of the JABO's have to jettison ords to cover buffs or goons; the F6F's are detailed and the F4U's are left with the JABO work. If I can only get a few JABO's in the mission; I send Heavy ponies in.. and if they are needed to sweep defenders they're supposed to just jettison the ords and do the cap and goon defense, leaving the ground defenses to the Buffs entirely.

If anybody doubts the ability of a JABO pony to function in a multi-role enviornment, look up RWY and watch him work.. I've seen him pound out the VH; strip a field of it's acks and roll up a 8-10 kill sortie on a field assault. By himself.

We're learning. Once we get this FAST ATTACK deal working right and it'll take a real determined and sizeable group of well placed defenders to stop 'em.. if they can be stopped at all.

Pongo.. right on the money. Gimme 4 sharp B26 divers, 4 to 8 sharp JABO operators that can stay on the program and a coupla savvy goon drivers and those 10-12 guys can roll up a buncha fields in a hurry. The B26 is an incredible ATTACK platform if the pilot stops thinking "LEVEL BOMBER" and starts thinkin "WILD WEASEL". The Ju88 is competent also; particularly in the dive bombing mode; but lacks the forward gun punch, speed and defensive armament of the B26. The only thing the B26 is missing is rockets, more nose gun ammo and wings that don't pop off if yah honk on it in the turns..

Gimme an A26 in this program and all hell will break lose.

Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!

Hangtime · « **Reply #35 on:** January 24, 2001, 10:48:00 AM »

Right on Rip.. we have spies amongst us. I know it. I plan around it, but still it's costly. Holds up mission profiles, forces regenning plans for diversionary raids, forces unnecessary losses of assets in overhelming altered defenders, makes the size of the main attack necessarily larger and more cumbersome too. War is hell.

Lately, I've reverted to high alt buffing arranged in private in advance of a large operation to cut off dars and support assets and facilities likely to be used when our public plans go out over the country channel. It's had a noticeable effect in reducing the effectiveness of the enemy's response when we come in force.

Also, high alt buffing of the enemy's origin fields when HE goes on the offensive is execptionally effective.. You have spies too.

Hang

Ripsnort · « **Reply #36 on:** January 24, 2001, 10:57:00 AM »

Hang, that's not what the post had to do with(Spies amongst us), I can get all the information I need from the bar dar, and by deception, for a successful jabo.

However, I do shoot any chutes that may be hanging around longer than 30 seconds!

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Hangtime:"You have spies too."

Sad to see your country must resort to this in order to beat us, shows you how much better we are than you. IMO...

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mauser · « **Reply #37 on:** January 24, 2001, 11:14:00 AM »

Hangtime,

I participated in my first mission online a couple days ago with you. Tho I was in a B26 that got shot down before reaching the target, it was great to be able to participate. We took the field anyway after our cv came in (it was a24). I've never participated before mostly because I'm affraid of something coming up and having to log in the middle while being tasked with something crucial. I thought it was kinda funny when you explained what my target was (the fh) and that it was the smaller of the hangar things. I'm really glad that you and some of the other bish are taking the lead and organizing raids and thinking tactically/strategically. I've been online and with the bish since October 98, and have learned a lot on the way. Discussions like this are important; I think it gives the newbies who don't just like to furball something to be a part of (not to mention the vets who got tired of furballing).

I'll try to participate when I can, either in the aircraft designated by the planner, or as a separate entity. I'm sure my squaddies in Sturmjaeger will also participate when they can. <S> to the hard-working bish who try to get things organized.

mauser

Hangtime · « **Reply #38 on:** January 24, 2001, 01:04:00 PM »

LOL Rip.. we don't recruit 'em.. they're just disgruntled weenies, some in every crowd. Part of the landscape here in AH too. Kick over a rock; "Well, lookit that. Another damn wailing weenie". Poor jerks, something wrong with those guys, yah ask me.

And we also know how to read a dar bar, and use waypoint routing to confuse or misdirect the situation when and where it's appropriate. Playin 'Stategic Chess' with you guys is fun, but whats more fun is watchin 15-20 planes head out to do a job. When push comes to shove, what counts is results.

<S!>

Hey Mauser!.. thanks fer joining in.. entity or otherwise. Seen you helping out before too. I appreciate it.. and it IS fun as all hell; ain't it?? <S!>

Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!

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ygsmilo · « **Reply #39 on:** January 24, 2001, 01:17:00 PM »

The most effective missions that I have seen from all countries is when are they not only well executed but have a more strategic element in them. By that I mean interdicting the surrounding fields and taking out the fighter hangers. If I am online and see a mission forming I will up a single bomber to hit the FHs of the nearby fields and begin the deacking to get those fields ready for the next mission. The JU 88 is especially good due the ability to load out the 4 x 550kgs for the Fh and the 20 x 50s for the acks.

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Milo
3./JG2
"Swager's Angels"

Hangtime · « **Reply #40 on:** January 24, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »

Ahhh.. so it WAS you Milo.

<S!>

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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!

Fury · « **Reply #41 on:** January 24, 2001, 01:46:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1:
......Guys we are gonna lose.......

......No we have to keep A1!.....

Guys we've lost....and 4 other bases.....getting ready to lose.........

....No we have to keep A1!.......

.....Guys we've lost.. and they are headed for.....can you come help?........

.......No we have to keep A1!......

It sounds like I have been online the same times you have been online lately......

Fury