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Offline Elfie

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2008, 02:38:45 AM »
It's easy.  If, for example, Senator Peccant supports the bailout, then his re-election campaign will be supported by wall street types.  When the fine senator visits NY for a ground zero ribbon cutting ceremony, his transportation will be paid for by the Wall St office of Avaricious, Inc. a high powered international banking and brokerage concern headquartered in Bahrain.  He will stay anaomously at the Avaricious owned penthouse suite on 5th avenue and will be attended to by several professional escorts.   

His membership to Augusta National will be paid for by the Avaricious Atlanta office, and hidden so that he looks like he is simply a guest when he plays 18 holes.

That my friend, is corruption.
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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2008, 06:45:16 AM »
That my friend, is corruption.

And that could not possibly happen in DC.

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2008, 07:31:38 AM »
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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2008, 08:05:06 AM »
I'm still looking for an intelligent answer here.

Humor is good, commiseration is good but I was sorta hoping to be enlightened.

I will admit I have not figured it out yet UNLESS it is the Dems, who are about to control both houses of Congress and the Presidency want the government to own Wall Street.

On the face of it, this deal is laced with stupidity. We have a liquidity crisis; that's what it is. LOAN the Richie Rich guys the money, don't bloody GIVE it to them. If you want to GIVE money away, set up a program to provide susidized interest rate mortgages to the people that are losing their houses. If we're going to piss away money, piss it away on folks that don't already have $300 million in their bank accounts.

What is so tough about this concept?
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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2008, 08:42:22 AM »
With the talk of Nationalizing some of these large financial institutions...Maybe it's Socialism at any price?

Part of the problem as I see it is the wrong kind of regulation.

yea yea I know "Regulation" is an evil word around some circles here.

But because money tends to corrupt. Some regulation, if well placed, and not overdone, is a good thing.

What we need to do is prevent alot of these mergers so that some companies dont get so frikken big that when a few of them fail. It doesn't adversely effect the economy of an entire nation.
Doing so would create two things. a certain amount of redundancy in the banking system.
And increased competition in the market place.

Another problem is oversight of some of these companies such as Fannie Mae,
But the people who are reasonable for their oversight often receive directly or indirectly campaign contributions from the very entities they are charged with overseeing. Making people hesitant to crack down on thee companies.

Seems to me any company or institution,their CEO's or other executive lever officers. That has oversight attached to them.
Should be barred from making political contributions of any kind. directly or indirectly.publicly or privately. (Another regulation)

Then the politicians of both parties have little reason to not do their job.
Furthermore
Anyone charged with the job of oversight of these business entities. should be held equally accountable and liable for the illegal or irresponsible goings on of those entities.

In laymens terms. If a citizen becomes a criminal by pickpocketing another citizen. And the cop charged with policing that corner watches the pickpocketing take place. And does nothing to stop it. then the cop is just as guilty as the criminal.
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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2008, 08:51:50 AM »
My two senators are Charles 'Chucky' Schumer and Hillary 'Rodfan' Klinton. My rep is Petey-Boy King.

sucks to be me.

 :rofl :rofl You know I wonder why she was elected in a state she really had never been to. Seems so odd to me.

Don't feel real bad we have Lugar and Dan Burton. Burton saw fit to give a local hospital 3 million of our hard earned money. You know what they say about liberals, "they will give you the shirt off someone else's back". Oh they're allegedly republicans. I'm not voting for them this year. Going libertarian.

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2008, 09:13:11 AM »
Dred..  I may have to ap.. ap.. apologize to you..  that is fairly well though out..  It is as you say I think.   The purpose of regulation is to prevent unfair and predatory practices.   It is also as you say to prevent monopolies that hurt everyone.

It is also a fact that the more control over business the government has.. be it regulation or bailouts or whatever... the more they think that they are entitled to a grand scheme.

In the case of the democrats they have been socializing the loan process for decades.. either forcing in some case or simply allowing in others, the loaning of money to people who can not and never will be able to afford it.

If they get the bailout they will hide the fact that the bad loans to low income and minorities were a bad idea..

Like a parent that refuses to believe their drug addict son will never kick the habit..  they believe that they can socially engineer home ownership for all.

They probly can if...

The rest of us pay for it.   everyone can have a home so long as you and I are willing to pay for it.

To some here.. that is not socialism and it is not evil.. it is seen as compassion.

I feel like we are living in an Ayn Rand novel at this point.

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2008, 09:17:34 AM »
Lazs, I'm sure the banks and investment firms are filled with Peter Keating types. ;)

As for housing affordability, how much would a Bucky Fuller house cost?
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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2008, 09:29:27 AM »
anax..  I am sure that where I live must seem enlightened to you.   We are socialist democrat voters to the bone here..  environmentalists and socialists and we harbor illegal alien criminals.. all in all.. very compassionate.

I don't know what the house would cost to build after you got done with the red tape...  probly not much.. say 30k but...

The land use study..the lot.. the environmental impact.. the new sewage treatment plant upgrades to protect the three eyed newt.. the water conservation fee... the fee on the fee fee and the tax on the tax tax and the hookup fees and school district fees for teaching english to illegals and spanish to Americans and all the rest runs about 150k or more before one bit of material to actually build the house is even bought much less built.

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2008, 09:30:45 AM »
Seems the Reps are the only ones digging in their heels against this trillion dollar giveaway. They're the ones saying there has to be something in it for the taxpayer.

Isn't it pretty odd that Reid, Pelosi and Frank are pretty much going along with Evil Bush's plan while the Reps are not?

What's up here?

Toad, from what I've read, the dems are wanting a big giveaway for homeowners.  And you're right about the repubs.  I'm dead set against the giveaway.  Sent an email to my representative.  Will phone on monday.

I say it's pigs to slop and pols to money REGARDLESS of the party.

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2008, 09:47:44 AM »
anax..  I am sure that where I live must seem enlightened to you.   We are socialist democrat voters to the bone here..  environmentalists and socialists and we harbor illegal alien criminals.. all in all.. very compassionate.

I don't know what the house would cost to build after you got done with the red tape...  probly not much.. say 30k but...

The land use study..the lot.. the environmental impact.. the new sewage treatment plant upgrades to protect the three eyed newt.. the water conservation fee... the fee on the fee fee and the tax on the tax tax and the hookup fees and school district fees for teaching english to illegals and spanish to Americans and all the rest runs about 150k or more before one bit of material to actually build the house is even bought much less built.

lazs

Meh, I'd probably count as a conservative if it weren't for two things: Jesus/Evolution and the Environment.  I like fiscal conservatism, free markets, and a wide scope of human freedom even with the risks it entails.  I'd like to see the Federal Reserve smashed, but so far as I know only Ron Paul was in favor of that this election cycle.

I'm not a religion basher, but the Republicans frequently support the insertion of religion into science class.  I like room for economic development, but everything I've learned about biology, ecology and climate science says that the best economic development is green! :aok
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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2008, 10:00:54 AM »
anax.. you would love it here.. you would see how every junk science idea is turned into a tax.

As for religion.. as for evolution.. you seem to be making a religion of evolution..  creationism is not at odds with evolution for most of us..  I would love a science class to say..  some think that there was a big bang that created everything out of nothing and some think that god created everything out of nothing.

The latter is the theory that makes the most sense to me.    How evolution works is still being worked out.   Fun to talk about but....

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2008, 10:07:58 AM »
One of my favorite quotes:

"My bias as a scientist is that I need to see evidence." :aok
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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2008, 10:23:01 AM »
well yeah.. except about the big bang thing and the one negro woman spawned the whole humanity thing and the all gasoline came from the flintstones pet thing and man made c02 will fry us all thing and the sun has nothing to do with global warming thing...

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Re: Why are the Dems pushing to bail out the Wall Street Richie Rich guys?
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2008, 01:03:32 PM »
I'm still looking for an intelligent answer here.

Humor is good, commiseration is good but I was sorta hoping to be enlightened.

I will admit I have not figured it out yet UNLESS it is the Dems, who are about to control both houses of Congress and the Presidency want the government to own Wall Street.

On the face of it, this deal is laced with stupidity. We have a liquidity crisis; that's what it is. LOAN the Richie Rich guys the money, don't bloody GIVE it to them. If you want to GIVE money away, set up a program to provide susidized interest rate mortgages to the people that are losing their houses. If we're going to piss away money, piss it away on folks that don't already have $300 million in their bank accounts.

What is so tough about this concept?

It might be just as Holden said Toad, corruption. Good ol boys protecting other good ol boys.
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