P47M...Hmm

[MjTalon]

Curious is to why the fuss over not including the P47M? Limited amounts produce? As some would know, the P47M did reach operational status even though with 130 air frames. They reached full operational status with Two Fighter Squadrons.

So why not add it? It wouldn't be a task, the P47M is basically a P47N without the wing tanks, a Uprated Supercharger and R2800.  Plus '72 Manifold Pressure is actually quite nice  ... Would give those La's and Spits a run for there money in terms of speed and maneuverability.

I know they're alot of planes that need to be added first ( I.E HE 111, Ju87G2, Ju52... and loads more. ) But may we just request the P47M? We need it actually... reason? To boast the P47s reputation as a Fighter Aircraft. And it'll actually play a vital part in some Snapshots/FSO's/Scenario's as well., since it was operational in the ETO as the P47N was PTO.

This could be something on the "To do" list. So please could ya at least consider it. 

[Guppy35]

It would be a bit like adding the Spit XII, which would be one I'd like.  Low numbers, enough other variants of said type to make adding it seem like overkill.

Much more of a novelty, not really needed but might be fun, probably better to put the energy into other birds first.


I'd like the 38H too, but I can make do with the 38G

[SFRT - Frenchy]

[Guppy35]

Tangmere Wing was high scoring Wing in the Fall of 43 in Spit XIIs too.

The 20th and 55th FGs brought 38Hs to England too and went into combat with them.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying don't do the M.  Just saying, in the overall scheme of things it's down the list like my Spit XII  or 38H

Hopefully it will happen someday, just hoping some of the other birds that we don't have any of, we get first.

[AquaShrimp]

P-47M would make a great perk fighter like the F4U-4.

[MjTalon]

Would gladly spend em if it would have a reasonable perk on it.

[BnZ]

How would the M perform?

Would it be like a D-40 with the N's WEP, or would it perform a lot better on MIL too?

[Hooligan]

I could be wrong but I doubt a 47M would merit being a perk plane.

[MjTalon]

If i remember correctly.

The P-47M was the faster production version of the Thunderbolt. That speed was achieved by using the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-14W or R-2800-57 engine, with the CH-5 turbo-supercharger. At full boost this engine could provide 2,800hp, giving the P-47M a top speed of 473mph at 32,000 feet, an improvement of 50mph over the P-47D.

[MjTalon]

Here's a bit of more information:




The P-47M was the faster production version of the Thunderbolt. That speed was achieved by using the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-14W or R-2800-57 engine, with the CH-5 turbo-supercharger. At full boost this engine could provide 2,800hp, giving the P-47M a top speed of 473mph at 32,000 feet, an improvement of 50mph over the P-47D.

The P-47M entered service with the 56th Fighter Group, based at Boxted, in early 1945. By that point the 56th FG was the only fighter group in the 8th Fighter Command still using the P-47. The P-47M was not used against the V-1 flying bombs, as is often stated – that campaign was already over by the time it entered service. It is possible that the three YP-47M pre-production aircraft were shipped to England to serve in this capacity, thus explaining the later confusion.

The P-47M suffered from a series of problems. The new engine was particularly problematic – at one point every engine in use was withdrawn and replaced by new units. It also has much shorter range than the P-47D.

It did not enter active service until April 1945, too late to make a significant contribution to the war. However, the massive increase in speed did allow the P-47M to shoot down a number of Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighters, whose pilots must have been surprised to find an apparently familiar aircraft almost keeping pace with them.

Production: 133
Engine: P&W R-2800-57 “C-series”
Horsepower: 2,800
Max Speed: 475mph at 32,000 feet
Cruising Speed: 360 mph
Range: 530 miles at 26,000 feet
Ceiling: 41,000 feet
Span: 40ft 9.25in
Length: 36ft 1.75in

[MjTalon]

The P-47M was a special high-speed version of the Thunderbolt specifically evolved to counter the Fieseler Fi 103 (V-1) buzz bomb and the new jet- and rocket-powered fighters that were entering service with the Luftwaffe.

Four P-47D-27-RE airframes (serials 42-27385/27388) were taken off the production line at Farmingdale and fitted with the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-57(C) engine equipped with a larger CH-5 turbosupercharger. This new engine offered a war emergency power of 2800 hp at 32,500 feet with water injection. Air brakes were fitted underneath the wings to aid in deceleration during dives. These four converted P-47Ds were redesignated YP-47M.

This new engine installation was ordered into production in September 1944 for the last 130 P-47D-30-RE aircraft delivered by Farmingdale, the aircraft being subsequently redesignated P-47M-1-RE. The serial numbers of the 130 P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolts built were 44-21108/21237

The first P-47M was delivered in December 1944, and they were rushed to the 56th Fighter Group in Europe. However, engine problems delayed their use until the last few weeks of the war in Europe. Underwing racks were not fitted, as the P-47M was meant to be operated strictly as a fighter.

Performance of the P-47M-1-RE included a maximum speed of 400 mph at 10,000 feet, 453 mph at at 25,000 feet, and 470 mph at 30,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 3500 feet per minute at 5000 feet and 2650 feet per minute at 20,000 feet. Range (clean) was 560 miles at 10,000 feet. Armament was six or eight 0.50-inch machine guns with 267 or 425 rpg. Weights were 10,432 pounds empty, 13,275 pounds normal loaded, and 15,500 pounds maximum. Dimension were wingspan 40 feet 9 3/8 inches, length 36 feet 4 inches, height 14 feet 7 inches, and wing area 308 square feet.

[BnZ]

I could be wrong but I doubt a 47M would merit being a perk plane.

Yes, that is what I'm getting at, if it was more a combo of the D-40 and N, wouldn't merit perking IMHO.

I think I remember reading somewhere that it was a pure fighter, no provisions for carrying ords. If that is indeed the case, I would say it really doesn't need a price.

[AquaShrimp]

Shoot, the P-51D was faster than the P-47M at 10k.

[Rich46yo]

The more Jugs the better. For that matter, the more P-38s the better. Im on board.

[MjTalon]

Well the P51-D max speed at 10k is about 380-410? Can anyone confirm?