HiTech no likes ponys?

[Steve]

    I guess if a guy stays in a flat turn because he don't no how to do anything else...I just never thought they out turned the pony. I don't think they do enough to make much of a difference..Unless ur in a stalling flat turn<<< noob turn

I sometimes end up on the deck, barely flying  in a 51, flat turning and rolling, scirssoring.  I wish I was as uber as you.   

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Ummm, have you actually checked the speed and climb rates of our Dstang vs. our Bstang at altitudes above 20K?

The B is lighter than the D, and that makes most of the difference in performance. When the D was designed, it WAS designed for HIGH altitude performance, that is why the second blower speed comes on where it does. The problem is that even with the second blower speed, the Merlin loses HP quickly as altitude increases, and as such, weight makes a huge difference. To enter service when it did, the D model changes had to have been designed and accepted almost 6-8 months earlier, and at that time, the requirement was for high altitude work.

[Tr1gg22]

I sometimes end up on the deck, barely flying  in a 51, flat turning and rolling, scirssoring.  I wish I was as uber as you.   

I was referring to just  holding the stick back in a flat turn...I am not that good ,but when we duel as a squad I chew some butt over the circle jerk noob flat turn for 10 minutes I will flat turn also but will try to pull out of it if I am loozin ground before my energy state is completely hopeless Most likely if u are being out turned the plane will also out climb u in most cases and loosing your E is the first step to a silk ride...I found that with the pony if you wrench your flaps down aggressively trying to beat the better turning aircraft to the punch is your best chance in a turn fight. That is the way I try to do it.. Note {TRY}.. There are plenty of times I am simply just out classed also Thats why I love this game someone; well in my case will always be better ,or make fewer mistakes than myself keeping the interest in the game..As far as the stats and all the real technical points of the game I really don't no what plane turns the tightest. There are the planes I absolutely no not to turn with in the pony:  zeke spit hurri 109f g2 g6 early model 110 corsairs -  I no I am missing a few but oh well..

[SgtPappy]

there's not much a mustangs can out turn  This chart does not represent what i see in the game. The P38 will eat a pony up in a turn fight. But according to this the pony out turns the J & L models. Charts and stats are one thing and game performance is another. The P51D works best for me between 8 and 12K and seems very unresponsive at 15K and above. I was always under the impression the the P51D was a high alt dog fighter.

Don't forget about turn rate vs turning radius. It matters not how tight a plane is turning if it's supper slow. The P-38 keeps a notable amount of speed even through flap deployment (and the flaps are unique along with the Ki-84). The me-163 will outturn planes in this game 90% of the time simply because it can finish a circle that quickly. It's massive turn radius is completely negligible.

[Chalenge]

(Image removed from quote.) there's not much a mustangs can out turn  This chart does not represent what i see in the game. The P38 will eat a pony up in a turn fight. But according to this the pony out turns the J & L models. Charts and stats are one thing and game performance is another. The P51D works best for me between 8 and 12K and seems very unresponsive at 15K and above. I was always under the impression the the P51D was a high alt dog fighter.

I ran into a rook horde tonight as I was climbing through 22k. I saw the bombers (a dozen B24s) of the horde at 25k and fighters at 27-30k (a dozen P51Ds P38s and at least one F4U4) and I am glad to say not one of them knew how to fly that high even with an 8k advantage they could not get closer then 1.5k although the F4U4 (with drop tanks so he claimed) did once I raised my nose up and inched toward the bombers. From that I can see why it is P51s are thought of the way they are in AH. Once on the deck the F4U4 resorted to HOs and helicopter flight only to die in a stall with nothing left of his plane but a cockpit. The problem with having the upper hand (in a lot of cases online) is that the pilot stops flying smart thinking the advantage is all his.

EDIT: Checked the film and the F4U4 pilot was incorrectly portraying his situation because if he had DTs they were long gone when we started to dance.

[Steve]

I ran into a rook horde tonight as I was climbing through 22k. I saw the bombers (a dozen B24s) of the horde at 25k and fighters at 27-30k (a dozen P51Ds P38s and at least one F4U4) .

Wow. They must know what the dark side of the moon looks like.

[bustr]

If some of you guys are realy set on the Poni D is neutered in this game here is the solution. The P51H saw limited service in the Pacific at the end of the war. Buy HiTech a truck load of his favorite Scotch to put it in the game with the appropriate HIGH PERK PRICE. If he did exactly what the poni D is neutered crowd wants verbatum, it would have to be perked at about 100.

In that case we should whine that the TigerCat saw very limited service in 1945 and the BearCat got on the deck of an outbound carrier in 1945. We should have them perked at about 150.......all those 20mms.

Why not ask for the A26. 370mph on the deck......8 .50 in the nose.....can furbal almost as well as a P38 with a light fuel load...   But perk it at about 175.

My only complaint about any of the Poni's is HiTech forgot the Asgard tech sheilding for the radiator. I'm as convinced as the tinfoil hat I wear to play the game that HiTech made the Poni's radiators out of plastic to keep us from having our TiFighter uber ride...................

[Grayeagle]

There's a story I heard long ago about the A-26 in WW2..
..buncha 109's 'bounced' the new bomber in the theater as they were returning home ..

..they tore thru the buff formation from hi-6, the buffs nosed over and chased em down ..
..shot a bunch of the 109's outta the sky both incoming and after diving after 'em.

-GE aka Frank

[bustr]

Gra,

You know Dale hates the A26 more than cheap whisky and a loose RV8 head gasket.........

[Chalenge]

If some of you guys are realy set on the Poni D is neutered in this game here is the solution. The P51H saw limited service in the Pacific at the end of the war. Buy HiTech a truck load of his favorite Scotch to put it in the game with the appropriate HIGH PERK PRICE. If he did exactly what the poni D is neutered crowd wants verbatum, it would have to be perked at about 100.

A quote from Detail & Scale Vol.51:

With a top speed of 487 miles-per-hour in a clean configuration the P-51 H was the fastest propeller-driven aircraft produced during World War II. However production was so late that the war ended before any of these "Hot Rod" Mustangs saw combat service.

I also dispute what you believe the 'poni D is neutered crowd' wants or that a high perk value should be a consequence. If someone can show that the P51D is truly inaccurate as modelled in the game then it should be fixed and thats all.

[bustr]

Looks like I need to only enjoy the good historical pictures and airframe 3D drawings in my porcelain throne reading reference. Is there a reason you guys act like this game is anything other than an interactive cartoon?

Chalenge, what in gods name are you disputing? Your self validation and personal reality defined by an interactive cartoon and an anonymous bulletin board? Is there a prize we get in these threads if you can catch posters making erroneous statements? If its one month of free playing time I might get interested only in the sport of catching erroneous statements.

If the idiot editor of my reference made a boo boo, well its not like I'm rebuilding a poni-H from his instructions so I can fly from a corn field. Now that would be a real world tragedy with me playing lawn dart with my life. But an editorial boo boo..............sheesh...car toon airplanes and editorial boo boos........what next....erroneous statement posting tickets from the internet cops.......

American Warplanes of WW2
Editor: David Donald <---so should I find an address so you can yell at this guy Chalenge....
Barns & Noble Books
Aerospace Publishing Ltd
ISBN: 0-7607-2274-9

Page 210.

"Although the lightweight P-51H did see limited combat in the Pacific, contrary to most Published reports, the best Japanese fighters were no longer available by late 1945."

[save]

No p51 h did any combat missions.

In the ETO the Do 335 was the fastest propdriven plane according to WIKIpedia,
Capable of a maximum speed of 474 mph (763 km/h) at 6,500 m (21,300 ft)

Only 11 Do 335 A-1 single seat fighter-bombers and two Do 335 A-12 conversion trainers was completed.

According to Pierre Clostermann his Tempest , he could not catch a the Do 335 at treetop level.

[Domin]

about everyone I talk to in this game that knows anything about the P-51 will tell you that the pony in this game does not perform as it did in the real world. Is this in fact the case? And if so why would HTC do that?
I'd like to hear from someone on the HTC staff on this.

I know, they always win on History Channel 

[hitech]

Gra,

 and a loose RV8 head gasket.........

Now THAT is a lot of hate!

[BnZ]

If someone can show that the P51D is truly inaccurate as modelled in the game then it should be fixed and thats all.

I've demonstrated in this very thread that in AHII the P-51 out-turned by an aircraft that 1. Has a decidedly higher wing-loading and and less horsepower 2. Was historically considered to be the less agile bird. Widewing has demonstrated repeatedly that there is something funny with the flaps. What more do you want?