American Civial War

[eskimo2]

um, i wouldn't mess with curvie if i wuz you.

he's got connexions.

Everyone blames the triangle...

It's really Curval though...

[Bronk]

Hummm, only arrogant people like you would find that funny.  More than 100 reenactment freinds that don't find it funny and respect the name.  Tell them how you feel about my name and see how long you will last.

 

[oakranger]

I hope they really don't have a magazine like that.  Them tree hippies will cry even more. 

[Curlew]

Short answer, Wrong.  You should have been failed for that paper.  But for the same reason why you think you are right is the same reason we've discussed here.  People can't possibly accept that the answer is as simple as Slavery.  It is not a simplified answer as to why everything happened.

It is that the answer as to why it happened is simple. 



Every single major strife that occured in the US from post Confederacy to the Civil war was because of slavery. 

First off I want t say sorry for taking to long to respond, i have been out of town.

But I do want to say that your an idiot, You take the common misconception that the war was caused entirely by slavery. Yes the was fear that the big L was going to abolish slavery IF he got elected during his election was a factor, but even this shows that there was massive tension between the n and s, in fact this wasnt the first time the s threatened to leave the union, infact several states had threatened after th panic of 1828 and the tarrif of abominations. so until you can show me a long (atleast 60 years) history of sectional tension caused by slavery im goin to stick with my answer.

[oakranger]

First off I want t say sorry for taking to long to respond, i have been out of town.

But I do want to say that your an idiot, You take the common misconception that the war was caused entirely by slavery. Yes the was fear that the big L was going to abolish slavery IF he got elected during his election was a factor, but even this shows that there was massive tension between the n and s, in fact this wasnt the first time the s threatened to leave the union, infact several states had threatened after th panic of 1828 and the tarrif of abominations. so until you can show me a long (atleast 60 years) history of sectional tension caused by slavery im goin to stick with my answer.

Yea, you are right about the panic of 1828 and tarrif of abominations.   Infact, slavery was not the main reason but rather part of the reason why the north and south fought. However, most of general public only knows why the civil war occur, slavery. 

[Holden McGroin]

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[Tango]

Yea, you are right about the panic of 1828 and tarrif of abominations.   Infact, slavery was not the main reason but rather part of the reason why the north and south fought. However, most of general public only knows why the civil war occur, slavery. 

Thats what the liberals want everyone to think.

[Nwbie]

it was all about economics - slavery loss was an economically bad deal for the south
All wars are about tangible assets.

[ASTAC]

 Infact, slavery was not the main reason but rather part of the reason why the north and south fought. However, most of general public only knows why the civil war occur, slavery. 

That's because the victors write history. Hell, I just want to know when people are going to stop calling it the "Civil War".
A civil war is fighting between factions within a single country. What most people fail to recognize, is that this war was fought between two completely separate nations. A more correct name would be "War between the States"

[Chalenge]

That's because the victors write history. Hell, I just want to know when people are going to stop calling it the "Civil War".
A civil war is fighting between factions within a single country. What most people fail to recognize, is that this war was fought between two completely separate nations. A more correct name would be "War between the States"

I think actually it would be a war fought within a country torn in two. As Americans today we cant recognize that the South actually did in fact create a separate country or it would be 'the war to recover the confederacy' or something similar. 'War between the States' is accurate because the war was really about States rights.

[lasersailor184]

First off I want t say sorry for taking to long to respond, i have been out of town.

But I do want to say that your an idiot, You take the common misconception that the war was caused entirely by slavery. Yes the was fear that the big L was going to abolish slavery IF he got elected during his election was a factor, but even this shows that there was massive tension between the n and s, in fact this wasnt the first time the s threatened to leave the union, infact several states had threatened after th panic of 1828 and the tarrif of abominations. so until you can show me a long (atleast 60 years) history of sectional tension caused by slavery im goin to stick with my answer.

I will not repeat it again.


Slavery caused the secession of the states.

Abraham Lincoln caused the war.

[AWMac]

"small load?" 
 

[Rich46yo]

I will not repeat it again.


Slavery caused the secession of the states.

Abraham Lincoln caused the war.

The great Intellectual speaks. Didn't you guys know that the subject is closed after Laser-Einstein speaks.

Dont expect another repeat. He wont do it.

[Curlew]

That's because the victors write history. Hell, I just want to know when people are going to stop calling it the "Civil War".
A civil war is fighting between factions within a single country. What most people fail to recognize, is that this war was fought between two completely separate nations. A more correct name would be "War between the States"

Thats only if you belive in the federalist view that states have rights higher than the national goverment, thus saying that the states have the right to seceede, but franky Im not a federalist, I think the national goverment is highest, so that would only make the south a bunch of roudy people, the states never left the union, they were only prevented from leaving the nation in a bloody struggle.

Federalism sucks, Articles of Confederation Prove it

and laser, still waiting on the facts

[Holden McGroin]

Infact, slavery was not the main reason but rather part of the reason why the north and south fought

That's because the victors write history. Hell, I just want to know when people are going to stop calling it the "Civil War".

And yet South Carolina wrote this:

We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

The very first reason SC addressed was about a "person held to service or labor in one State"

Which is of course, slavery.

Then a little farther down in the document,

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

Read "Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union"http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/secession_causes.htm

And then tell me it was not about slavery.

The constitutional argument was about slavery, the political argument (Missouri compromise) was about slavery.

In the document, slave was mentioned 18 times. Reference to slavery with the word servile or service was another 6 times.

Now the word 'right' is mentioned 20 times by my count, but 6 of those times the right in question was slavery.

Written in the words of the defeated, slavery was the all encompassing reason for secession.

SC seceeded in 1860, prior to Lincolns presidency.

Lincoln ordered the defence of a federal fort and only replenished the supplies of the fort.  South Carolina fired the first shot, and started armed insurrection, which the federal government is constitutionally obligated to supress.

Slavery was the reason for secession, secession caused the armed insurrection against a federal fort, so slavery was the cause of the war.