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Offline cdmanm

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trouble landing
« on: October 14, 2008, 04:25:21 PM »
when ever i try to land i do what it says but when i put my throttle to idle i lose altitude and crash please tell me what I'm doing wrong!

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 04:31:16 PM »
Wait until you're closer to the ground before setting throttle to idle.  Most planes should touchdown between 80-120 mph.

Throttle controls your sink rate, elevator controls your airspeed.

Practice, practice, practice.   :D

Oh yeah, flaps help lots (as long as Combat Trim is turned off first.)
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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 04:36:41 PM »
even when you break?

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 04:58:39 PM »
The ideal landing pattern is descent with nose level. Keep your crosshairs on the horizon, and reduce speed to the point that you begin to slowly lose altitude but still have control of the plane. Should be between 180 and 150. You can adjust throttle the whole way down so you stay on the optimal path, or glidescope. Once close to runway, start deploying flaps. Contrary to what ImADot says above, flaps will still work fine even with combat trim enabled. Deployed flaps will generate lift, allowing you to stay in control of your plane at lower speeds. Continue descending with your nose level.

When your wheels are about to touch, cut throttle and pull the nose up gently. This will stall your plane at about 10 feet above the ground if done right, and you will float gently to a three wheel touch down. Remember when landing, slower is always better, just as long as you know you can keep control of your plane.

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 05:15:22 PM »
Read it, learn it, apply it.

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/combatlanding/combatlanding.htm

If you're still having trouble, simply go to the Trainer Arena and you should do fine.

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 06:08:53 PM »
Find me in game and we'll go to the training arena.  I can get you landing pretty quickly.  My in-game name is PFactorD.

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 06:12:40 PM »
and for some reason i have a new account and when ever i try to login it says my free trial eclaspe

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2008, 07:47:27 PM »
See this thread. I posed a landing film. Its the same with almost any plane.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,248582.0.html

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2008, 08:03:31 PM »
and for some reason i have a new account and when ever i try to login it says my free trial eclaspe

The game is not free. You have a 2 week trial when you first download it. After that, you have to pay $15 a month in order to play on the Main Arenas. Offline is free indefinately.

*Deleting and Re-downloading will not give you the extra 2 week again. (You can never know what people will do).  :noid

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2008, 08:37:15 PM »
when ever i try to land i do what it says but when i put my throttle to idle i lose altitude and crash please tell me what I'm doing wrong!

Put the landing gear down next time.
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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2008, 10:37:38 PM »
Contrary to what ImADot says above, flaps will still work fine even with combat trim enabled. Deployed flaps will generate lift, allowing you to stay in control of your plane at lower speeds.

Sorry I wasn't clear and failed to explain myself.  Yes, flaps will work with combat trim on...but combat trim will try to compensate by trimming your plane like crazy and your nose will scream up towards the sky.
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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2008, 11:25:09 PM »
Sorry I wasn't clear and failed to explain myself.  Yes, flaps will work with combat trim on...but combat trim will try to compensate by trimming your plane like crazy and your nose will scream up towards the sky.

The nose up attitude is most likely what he is missing.  Letting the Combat Trim nose him up a bit would probably be a good thing.  He just needs to know that he'll have to hold the stick forward a little to prevent the plane from going all wonky.

Also, it is important to think of your throttle as ALTITUDE control.  Chop throttle.  Get slowed down, drop a notch of flaps.  Let the nose rise a little.  Throttle back up a little bit to keep control of the plane.  Put the gear down, maybe another notch of flaps.  This should put you into a nose up attitude, slowly sinking.  You can reduce throttle a touch to sink faster, or increase the throttle a bit if you think you may be short of the runway.  But hold your slightly nose up attitude. 

It's really pretty easy, once it clicks for you. 

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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2008, 11:48:31 PM »

It's really pretty easy, once it clicks for you. 

 :eek: Click, click, whens it going to click.   :O   :rolleyes:Bank - prop gone, oops there went the landing gear. Huh! something is still clicking. :mad: :t :O
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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2008, 06:06:23 AM »
and for some reason i have a new account and when ever i try to login it says my free trial eclaspe
you need to subscribe. normally i do a "nelly" landing (no gears) and let my plane slide to a stop as i never rearm, and it doesnt hurt my overall performance, on a CV ill do a normal landing, but significantly slower so i dont shoot off the back of the CV. anyway,  :salute wish ya luck sir!
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Re: trouble landing
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2008, 10:13:17 AM »
I was in the same boat as you for a long time.  I didn't like what was posted on the trainers page about combat landings because it presumes a much higher level of skill than I had at the time.  Way too much to keep track of for a true newbie.  Here's what I suggest:

Use the A6M2 (Japanese Zero) and fly it offline, and practice landing in it.  Its one of the easier taildraggers to land, and it moves slow so you can get the fundamentals down while thinking about them (before they are instinct).

In the A6M2, all you gotta do is cut the throttle near the runway, and while gliding do some turns and use the rudder to slow yourself down. 

(If you have rudder pedals, it'll be a huge help, because "sliding" your plane by full rudder one way, and pointing the nose the other way, with the intention of flying the direction that's in-between, is one of the best ways to slow your plane down quickly in Aces High.) 

But either way, throttle to minimum and glide until your speed is a bit under 200.  At this point you should be able to lower your landing gear.  Having landing gear out slows your plane down a lot... you'll quickly get slow enough to be able to lower your flaps.  Get your landing gear out, lower your flaps completely downwards.  Then go back to full throttle.  Because of all the drag of your flaps and landing gear, you won't be able to achieve more than about 120 MPH in this configuration, even at full throttle, unless you actually dive towards the ground.  This is important because if you go too fast with landing gear out, you'll rip them off!

Now landing is easy.  Fly the plane to the end of the runway, turn so you're going along its length, and put the plane close to the ground, cut throttle and guide it down gliding.  If you overshoot, just hit the throttle back to max and make another pass.  Once on the runway your plane will eventually stop by itself, but to speed up the process (and so you don't overshoot the end of the runway), use the wheel brakes (I think it defaults to the spacebar).

Now here is the key thing that was the least obvious to me that I had trouble with until I learned the trick... when your plane is on the runway but still going pretty fast and you're slowing down with the wheel brakes, your plane will tend to flip onto its propeller.  Because its just a video game, you can still get a successful landing like this, but its pretty embarrassing.  This happens just like if you only used the front brake on a bicycle, you can flip over the handlebars.  You need to hit the back brake too, but your airplane doesn't have one.

The trick is to pull the stick backwards.  They say this is to "lock the tailwheel", but that phrase didn't mean a lot to me when I heard it.  In reality you're putting downforce on the tail of your aircraft, just like the spoilers on an Indy Car prevents them from flipping over.  That downforce counters the fact that you don't have a rear brake.  That way your plane won't flip over even when you're using the wheel brakes, and you can slow your plane down to a stop.

Once you get good at this, head over to the trainers site linked in a previous post and get good at landing in the usual way, using throttle to control decent and with the turns to bleed speed.  This is important for landing aircraft not as easy to land as the Japanese Zero, and its important for getting on the ground fast when people are trying to shoot you down.  Its just a lot to keep track of until you have some feel for landing, in my opinion.

Now realize I'm not teaching you good habits here.  This is just to get you some confidence and more importantly, experience.  Typically its not a good idea to teach habits other than good habits, but honestly they didn't work for me in this game, or weren't described well enough, especially the "how not to flip over on my nose" part, and why pulling the stick back works.

Whatever you do, if you subscribe to the game, the trainers will get you going.  Rolex helped me a ton.
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