p51 the new la7

[Sonicblu]

It seems like more 51s that usual flying BNZ tactics. The other night no matter where I flew there was a gaggle of them BNZ'n.

Oh wait let me clearify Bnz in this thread.  dive in from outer space spray and pray and climb back out till the icon dissapears. I is amazing how many of the persons that normaly complain about this kind of flying in AH were doing it. I am all for flying a plane to its strengths but come on guys.

You guys have to spray and pray because your plane has to be shaking so hard in the dive you cant get a gun solutions.

[Steve]

 

The 51 is overused and overrrated.  I had a 51 do that to Agent and I the other night.  We were 2 v 3, counting the pony, on the deck with the spit and 190 while the 51 zoomed. The guy would make a pass and literally fly to the edge of icon range  before returning.  He only managed 3 of these before we killed his two teammates then I went after him. *sigh*

".... the new la7."   Makes me cringe.

[bongaroo]

Maybe a phase but overall you'll always see p51s zooming and running, la7s trying to chace them down, spit16s and nikis trying to get stuff to simply turn in flat circles.  add HOing and if one side catches the other off guard vulching.

It's the MAs baby!   

[Tr1gg22]

It seems like more 51s that usual flying BNZ tactics. The other night no matter where I flew there was a gaggle of them BNZ'n.

Oh wait let me clearify Bnz in this thread.  dive in from outer space spray and pray and climb back out till the icon dissapears. I is amazing how many of the persons that normaly complain about this kind of flying in AH were doing it. I am all for flying a plane to its strengths but come on guys.

You guys have to spray and pray because your plane has to be shaking so hard in the dive you cant get a gun solutions.

Been like that every since I have been playing since tour 72 or 74 some were in there I have not noticed any difference in this time that I have been playing in the game play. Same game and same ole complaints

[whiteman]

The guy would make a pass and literally fly to the edge of icon range  before returning.  He only managed 3 of these

I've been seeing more yaks pulling that of late with the 51's. Then while i extend out to try and get some E to match theirs since they drop from the moon, I'll see a run comment on 200. Of course without fail after were even in the E department they exit stage left.

[Ack-Ack]

It seems like more 51s that usual flying BNZ tactics. The other night no matter where I flew there was a gaggle of them BNZ'n.

Oh wait let me clearify Bnz in this thread.  dive in from outer space spray and pray and climb back out till the icon dissapears. I is amazing how many of the persons that normaly complain about this kind of flying in AH were doing it. I am all for flying a plane to its strengths but come on guys.

You guys have to spray and pray because your plane has to be shaking so hard in the dive you cant get a gun solutions.

Why do players blame a plane for the pilots bad flying habits?  

The problem isn't the P-51D, it's a BnZ style fighter and not an angles fighter so one shouldn't be surprised to see one use BnZ tactics.  The problem is players not knowing how to BnZ, of which unfortunately you ran across two players that are like that and just happened to be flying P-51Ds.  

If  properly done, BnZ is a very aggressive tactic designed to gain an angle on the bandit by forcing them to deplete their energy by having to avoid your repeated attacks.  If done correctly, it shouldn't take more than 3 passes to kill the bogie unless the target has the knowledge and experience to defend against BnZ attacks.  When I see players trying to BnZ and zoom away outside of icon range, I can't help but laugh.  All they are doing is letting me regain whatever energy and altitude I lost in breaking from their pass and eventually I will equal out the states and get the kill.  It's those that know how to BnZ (these guys are the ones that won't extend beyond d2.0 to prevent you from regaining E and altitude) then I know I'm going to be in for a hard time.


ack-ack


 

[1Boner]

I've been seeing more yaks pulling that of late with the 51's. Then while i extend out to try and get some E to match theirs since they drop from the moon, I'll see a run comment on 200. Of course without fail after were even in the E department they exit stage left.

I've noticed a few more Yaks than normal lately.

Sooo as I prepared to chase down a Yak (mistakenly treating it like just another 51) the other night, imagine my surprise when it turned in to fight me.

It was Gixer, I was dead in aprox.10 seconds.

Lesson learned.

<S> Gixer

[BnZ]

People complain about being bnz'ed I think because the cold hard fact is there are two possibilities.

1. That P-51 knows what he is doing, and he bags you.

2. If he knows what he is doing but is having a "bad gunnery" night, you probably aren't going to catch him once you equalize the E. Even if the pilot is terrible, he will probably be able to dive and run successfully. Thus for the bnz'ed, it is mostly risk with little chance of being rewarded.

[VansCrew1]

It seems like more 51s that usual flying BNZ tactics. The other night no matter where I flew there was a gaggle of them BNZ'n.

Oh wait let me clearify Bnz in this thread.  dive in from outer space spray and pray and climb back out till the icon dissapears. I is amazing how many of the persons that normaly complain about this kind of flying in AH were doing it. I am all for flying a plane to its strengths but come on guys.

You guys have to spray and pray because your plane has to be shaking so hard in the dive you cant get a gun solutions.

The P51 will never be the "new" la. Most of the amateurs fly the P51 because they hear so much about them seen the on dogfights ext. Most of the people do as Steve said in an earlier post. They make one pass extend out of icon range or till you turn away and come back towards you. Also a huge majority of that spray and pray from 800 out as there screaming in from space doing 500mph. Out of every one that flies the P51 only a small percentage of them know what there doing and how to fly the plane.
The P51 will never be the "new" LA because the P51 actually takes skill to fly and fight.

[Gixer]

I've noticed a few more Yaks than normal lately.

Sooo as I prepared to chase down a Yak (mistakenly treating it like just another 51) the other night, imagine my surprise when it turned in to fight me.

It was Gixer, I was dead in aprox.10 seconds.

Lesson learned.

<S> Gixer

  thanks, every now and then I actually hit something. 

 


<S>...-Gixer
 

[dedalos]

The P51 will never be the "new" LA because the P51 actually takes skill to fly and fight.

  You know, I pay the $15 a month mostly for chan 200 and the BBS. 

[Steve]

You know, I pay the $15 a month mostly for chan 200 and the BBS. 

Ya, only planes you fly require skill to get kills in. 

[Bucky73]

"skill" in a video game




ALWAYS cracks me up when I hear that


 

[Shane]

"skill" in a video game
ALWAYS cracks me up when I hear that
 

i rely on talent, myself...

 

[bongaroo]

luck here.