RL example of Lag roll + E-fight!

[DREDIOCK]

Yenny,
You always fly to your own planes strengths And abilities and know your planes limitations. Not to your opponents strengths.
In a turn fight I know I can take my D9 maybe a couple of turns around before its time to get out of dodge and extend. r to use and entirely different manuver.

Fighting to your enemies strengths is usually folly under most circumstances.
The trick is to goad your opponent into fighting your way while not letting him goad you into fighting his.


As for the History Channel. I wouldnt want to bet anything valuable as to their total accuracy all the time either.
Anyone remember the video they used to show about the P-51 D while all the while showing clips of a P-51B?
Remember. the HC is trying to be entertaining. Not a history teacher. They dont have to be 100% accurate. Just entertaining enough to keep you watching.
Im sure a few others here could chime in about their creative licensing

As for being able to out turn  the 109. That would also depend on circumstances altitude and models of aircraft involved
Same thing with max speeds

Model                          XP-51     P-51A     P-51B/C-1     P-51B/C    P-51D/K    P-51H
Maximum Speed      382 @ 13k    390 @ 20k    430 @ 25k     439 @ 25k    437 @ 25k    487 @ 25k

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51specs.shtml

[Anaxogoras]

Guys, guys....if everybody flew like it was WW2 (i.e. you getting shot = it actually hurting and stuff), it'd be boring and/or frustrating as hell! 

Some guys get off on stuff like that.  Back in the day it was considered the gold standard.  In WB's we had guys who had streaks in the 100's, and they weren't called losers or timid at all, they were considered some of the best sticks in the game. 

True, but some of the most amazing streaks I ever saw put together were by -deft- in the P-40E, flying it against late war aircraft.

[Rebel]

True, but some of the most amazing streaks I ever saw put together were by -deft- in the P-40E, flying it against late war aircraft.

And most of the best kill sorties in Aces High as I remember were brought on by Drex and his Hellkitty of doom  

Deft was....weird.  Very very good, but...weird. LOL 

[jdbecks]

I try to fly my plane using its strengths to win the fight, there's no way I would try and TnB with a hurricane, if he complains I wont tnb with him, why did he not try and e fight with me . I think the better player uses his strengths of his plane to out match his enemy. Like its been said people play different reasons, as longs as you have fun thats what counts, and if you are in a TnB plane instead of complaining the other guy just BnZ you, maybe you should have thought more tactically and tried to get him in a turn fight.

 

[xbrit]

Very often here the critics get at you if you don't fly the plane they like, or fly how they like to fly. Sorry but I'm here for my amusement not someone elses.

[R 105]

Here is what I do know about the P-51 it is one of only two prop fighters to severe in the the 1970s. The ME-109 with the Spanish air force until the 1960s and the P-51 in Central America until the 80s. The US shot down more than a few MiG-15s in Korea in the 51s. A family friend who was a WWII pilot owned a P-51 and flew it in air shows until he was killed in an aircraft accident in 67. I never flew in it but I saw what it could do first hand. Trust me when I say HT has the 51s under modeled.

[The Fugitive]

Very often here the critics get at you if you don't fly the plane they like, or fly how they like to fly. Sorry but I'm here for my amusement not someone elses.

well you certainly amuse me! Your one funny looking dude !  

If you fly a BnZ plane to its strengths yes you can do well, but almost anyone can do that. But if you take a BnZ plane and turn and burn with a hurri and win..... ah well thats a whole nother story!

Fly how you like, just don't HO me and well get a long fine !  

[The Fugitive]

Here is what I do know about the P-51 it is one of only two prop fighters to severe in the the 1970s. The ME-109 with the Spanish air force until the 1960s and the P-51 in Central America until the 80s. The US shot down more than a few MiG-15s in Korea in the 51s. A family friend who was a WWII pilot owned a P-51 and flew it in air shows until he was killed in an aircraft accident in 67. I never flew in it but I saw what it could do first hand. Trust me when I say HT has the 51s under modeled.

The 51 in AH can be a VERY uber plane if you take the time to learn to fly it well.

As a BnZ plane its one of the best, and yes, you can surprise a lot of people by getting slow and do some TnBin in as well.

[Motherland]

Here is what I do know about the P-51 it is one of only two prop fighters to severe in the the 1970s. The ME-109 with the Spanish air force until the 1960s and the P-51 in Central America until the 80s. The US shot down more than a few MiG-15s in Korea in the 51s. A family friend who was a WWII pilot owned a P-51 and flew it in air shows until he was killed in an aircraft accident in 67. I never flew in it but I saw what it could do first hand. Trust me when I say HT has the 51s under modeled.

You didn't say anything that would tell me the P51 is undermodeled.

The 51 in AH can be a VERY uber plane if you take the time to learn to fly it well.

As a BnZ plane its one of the best, and yes, you can surprise a lot of people by getting slow and do some TnBin in as well.

One of the things that makes the P51 so popular with newer players, I think, is that it's a very easy aircraft to fly. This is something common among American fighters. For the most part they're difficult to push past the edge, and easy to recover if you do actually pass it. It's (IMO) very easy to get a surprising amount of performance out of the fighter, and even though it doesn't turn well on paper it's no slouch in practice, especially with its flaps.

[skatsr]

OK, I got to chime in. 
 Motherland the P51 is not an easy plane to fly. Theres a reason why it is usually the most killed plane in the game.

 Yenny I agree with you 100%, Dreidlock you too.!

  <S> Sr

[Motherland]

OK, I got to chime in. 
 Motherland the P51 is not an easy plane to fly. Theres a reason why it is usually the most killed plane in the game.

Yes, the most flown plane in the game will usually be the most killed. The P51D also has a better K/D ratio than the Spitfire MK XVI, or the La 7, or the N1K, etc... in fact, the only 'popular' plane with a better K/D is the Typhoon, but the P51D has twice as many kills as that aircraft..
The few times I've flown it I was surprised by it's flight characteristics. It's comparatively easy to get a lot of performance out of it. It may not have the best performance but compared to other air craft (such as the P38, 109, Ta 152H-1, etc...) it's pretty easy to push it to the edge. Its flight characteristics outside of combat flight are among the best in the game IMO. It's simply a joy to fly.

There's a reason why it's so popular

[Tumor]

Yenny

  What a breath of fresh air!!  You've proclaimed yourself a "simmer", as opposed to "gamer".   Continue, and the insults and whines will continue... look at them as proof that you hold to a higher standard.  You are part of a dying breed.  Carry on the good fight brother!

Tumor

[Anaxogoras]

From my perspective you are both talking past each other.  Yes, it's easy to rack up kills in the P-51 if you keep it fast and pick your fights, but it's challenging to fight with from a position of disadvantage, especially against an enemy aircraft with good powerloading.  Skatsr is one of the best I've seen at fighting in the P-51 from a disadvantage.

[Vudak]

OK, I got to chime in. 
 Motherland the P51 is not an easy plane to fly. Theres a reason why it is usually the most killed plane in the game.

 Yenny I agree with you 100%, Dreidlock you too.!

  <S> Sr

You're one of those guys I'd expect could play a better turner's game and come out on top now and then...  At least that's been my personal, wing missing, falling to earth, experience.

If you got that way without ever trying it, I'd sure like to know how

[Die Hard]

It cant be accurate! The P51s could out turn the 109s and out run them! It must be anti-axis bias! 

It wasn't accurate, or rather the interpretation of the situation on your part wasn't accurate. The Mustang can easily turn inside a 109 if the 109 is flying faster. Just as the one experienced 109 driver later turned tighter than the faster pursuing Mustangs.