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Offline MjTalon

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Just curious.
« on: October 23, 2008, 01:51:34 PM »
I know alot of pilot's go on what they see, view, and heard about on TV about the WW2 planes. But as far as the P51D goes compared to the P47D in sheer terms of versatility wouldn't you think the obvious choice would be the Jug?

A perfect example was this past MoM rook raid. There were over 40 P51D escorts compared to 15-25 P47Ds. Everyone was briefed that we were escorting 2 bomber wings to target and enemy opposition was highly expected at altitudes exceeding 25k. Majority of the P51D pilots from reports from the AAR proved that the P51Ds sustained little over 50% more casualties than the P47s and we had nearly a 50% differential in total airplane force. 

Now i know the P51D is advertised as the "best" American Escort fighter of WW2. I'm not going to denounce the P51 because it's a truly amazing aircraft but at those altitudes the obvious choice was infact the P47. The P47 has 33% more firepower than the P51D, more than enough to do your fair share of shooting at those alts and still have ammo left over. Better high alt performance than a P51D above 25k and is on just about equal terms with the P51D at 15-20k. Better armor that helps out against taking a few shells without having to bail out away from the mission. And Is not Prone To Radiator damage like the P51D.

Just my $0.02 cents.  :eek:

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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2008, 01:52:48 PM »
But as far as the P51D goes compared to the P47D in sheer terms of versatility wouldn't you think the obvious choice would be the Jug?



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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2008, 01:57:23 PM »
I think i should have also added as the Obvious High Alt escort fighter above 20k steve.

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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2008, 02:36:55 PM »
I think i should have also added as the Obvious High Alt escort fighter above 20k steve.

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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2008, 02:57:28 PM »
As I understand it the Jug had more kills than the pony.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 03:12:47 PM »
TOM the p47d jug came out 3 years before the mustang-there 4,was in the war alot longer than the mustang.
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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 03:29:09 PM »
P-51 suffers from the "Spitfire syndrome" which means that new guys see the name and immediately go for it.

This equates to more numbers in game, some less skilled, and higher losses.

The smart guys took the jug and this also shows in the loss rate.
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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2008, 03:33:35 PM »
I think you have a bias though Talon.

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2008, 03:44:38 PM »
I think you have a bias though Talon.

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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2008, 03:46:47 PM »
I think you have a bias though Talon.
I think your right. If you realy want to comapre two planes that were outstanding during the end of the war, compare the P-51D and the P-47N. The N would be far supirior, comared to the PonyD, because its more adavced than the Pony.
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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2008, 03:47:23 PM »
If I were in your shoes I would go with a P-47N.  At 30k+ it's still getting faster.
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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2008, 03:49:18 PM »
I never meant it in a bad way, just from what I know he is full on P47.

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2008, 03:51:10 PM »
You think he's a JUG kinda guy?   :lol  Where would you get that idea?



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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 04:00:08 PM »
It was the P-47 that won the air war in Europe not the Mustang. The Mustang just got the credit. I used to fish with a guy who flew Jugs in the war and he used to tell me the storys. Much of the Luftwaffe attrition was done with ground attacks. The Jug was also a terror to German rail traffic, a fact you dont hear to often nowdays. That the German war machine was heavily Dependant on rail traffic.

I was in a LA-7 the other day and ran into Sir Loin who was in a Jug, and who had like 5k on me. He repeatedly B&Z'd me and no matter what I did I could take him away from his strategy and I couldn't slow him down or get an "E" advantage. Eventually he got me and it really showed what a good Jug stick can do.

The P-47 is a great plane, it was in real life and it is in the game. The real reason I'm not in it as much is cause I dive bomb a lot and I get tired of the inevitable hole in the main fuel tank. If they ever fix the damage model I'll spend more time in the Jug.

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Re: Just curious.
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2008, 04:03:58 PM »
It was the P-47 that won the air war in Europe not the Mustang.

No single aircraft, or even air force, won the air war in Europe.  <edit for clarification> The claims that one aircraft did it all are just idiotic.
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