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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2008, 09:36:16 PM »
Agreed, 111 or earlier Japanese fighter/bomber.

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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2008, 03:45:02 AM »
My vote is 111 and I-16 ;), then maybe LaGG or Yak-1
Early eastern front + Finland for instance.
Oh, then the Brewster :D
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2008, 07:11:09 AM »
OK, I would like a Yak-3 please.  Thanks!

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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2008, 07:17:42 AM »
111 should be the next addition. It's probably the more obvious hole in any planeset.
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2008, 07:25:12 AM »
I just think it would be fun if we were able to vote again like we did. A player chosen ride, and then ofcourse the suprise rides  :)

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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2008, 08:46:35 AM »
I just think it would be fun if we were able to vote again like we did. A player chosen ride, and then ofcourse the suprise rides  :)

Then we will get an A-26 instead of an He 111.
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2008, 10:46:56 AM »
The biggest hole in the plane set is the lack of medium early to mid-war Japanese bomber.

The second biggest hole is a tie between an early to mid war Russian fighter and a similar era Russian bomber.
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2008, 05:21:28 PM »
Wishlist Forum?

Well, before the wishlist-forum existed this forum has been traditionally used to discuss about game's plane additions. Yes, I could have posted it in the wishlist-forum as well.


I think they's begin with MA stuff.
P63 is MA stuff
A-26 is MA stuff
A Beaufighter would be MA stuff. (Torp carrying-cannon armed AND with rockets)
And a Pe-2, or was it Tu-2???

"And a Pe-2, or was it Tu-2???"

Right. This pretty much illustrates what people generally know about the aireal warfare in the eastern front. And it seems that that is the reason why the majority (and most people in this thread) really aren't interested about adding planes that actually fought that war either.

And I'm not talking about planes like the TU-2 and Yak-3 here but the true work horses I listed that actually carried most of the burden. Yak-3 in my list was just an added bonus because it is one of the few fighters left that has realistic MA-appeal and could easily be included at the same time as Yak-1b is done.

And this is not in any way directed at you...it's just that your comment happened to illustrate my point. At least you mentioned the Pe-2. And yes, I do think lack of Pe-2 is one of the biggest holes in this planeset...but this thread was about fighters.

What comes to the US aircraft in general...

In an almost exact time span of four years we've gotten 13 new aircraft,

Ki-84
B-24J
P-38G
P-38J
P-47N
Bf109G-14
Spitfire Mk.VIII
Spitfire Mk.XVI
F4U-1A
B-25C
B-25H
P-39D
P-39Q

NINE of them are from USA. 11 of them are allied aircraft, only two of them axis. Not that it matters much to anyone but if the next new aircraft is going to be A-26, another US bomber, I'll probably blow a head gasget. I've seen the thing in flight. What a great performing and good looking aircraft just oozing power...but for many reasons there are loads of aircraft that should be added before it.

Beaufighter would be a great addition, nice attack plane, used in several theaters and many were built. But like I stated in my initial post, the eastern front is far too neglected and like I said, we are still missing the most important fighter of one the major player air forces; JAAF's KI-43. That should be far ahead of Beaufighter in terms of priorities. 11 allied aircraft produced during the last four years, only two axis a/c.


Isn't the 9M supposed to be an easy and worthwhile addition?

Yes, pyro said that he would like to do an M before the D or basic Yak-9 because it has the same cockpit position as the Yak-9T (40cm aft compared to the normal Yak-9 to accomodate the NS37). He said that it could then use the same basic 3D-model as the Yak-9T. I'd still like to see a regular Yak-9 because that is the way the majority of the Yak-9s looked. I don't know which appications they are using at HTC but I can't see what is the big problem in moving the cockpit forward or aft along the fuselage as the geometry of the fuselage itself didn't really change between models.


I have to say, this is probably the most needed aircraft on your list, with further adding the -44-Ia. While the -43 may have the higher production numbers, it does not expand the capabillities of the japanese planeset, since it pretty much exactly fits into the A6M flight envelope, but with much less firepower. The -44 on the other hand would give the japanese planeset a more interceptor/B&Z like aircraft in EWA and MWA. Something we actually only have in the LWA with the N1K.

The -44 would also be much more competetive in MWA and LWA and it's also very useful for scenarios.     

Well, if you say that it is the most needed aircraft in my list you are forgetting the whole airwar between Luftwaffe and VVS basically. I see your point about similar flight envelope between the KI-43 and Zeke but that really isn't a good argument since Zeke was the Navy's and KI-43 was the air force's fighter. They fought many times in different parts of the pacific and I just think that the use of substitutions for planes as important as KI-43 should not be needed at this point of the development of the whole planeset. KI-43 was introduced a lot earlier in WarBirds.

That said, KI-44 is by far my favourite from the list I posted. I just try to look at this as objectively as I can, as that in the end provides more enjoyable special events, AvA setups, etc. It is those things that (IMO) in the end prove more enjoyable than what any single plane can...well, maybe except for the Brewster. :D


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Well, in a way I forgot to add C.200 to the list. But I didn't want the list to grow too big either. I think C.200 should definately be added since it was, based on the numbers available, the most important Italian fighter of the war along with the G.50 and the CR.42. Lets hope it gets added when the Macchi series is updated. And that should be pretty soon too. It had the same wing as the 202/205-series, and the basic fuselage as well. The wings can be "bolted on" as they are but the fuselage will need a bit more work. One of my favourites! I would fly it quite a bit along updated C.205.



What?  No I-16?

Worthless thread.

Thanks for your invaluable input.

I just think that, considering the current plane set, 109F-4 vs. Yak-1b/Yak-7b might be a bit more even fight than 109E-4 vs. I-16/I-153 for example. Personally I'd love to see both I-153 and I-16. Probably would fly I-16 quite a bit myself. I just think that in AH it needs a bit more equal adversaries like the Brewster Model 239 for example to make a fun and playable match up. And before we can realistically expect planes like the Brewster to get included we need some other planes first. That was the point of my thread; what fighters should be added in the next version featuring new aircraft. I'm not saying that I-16 shouldn't be added.


111 should be the next addition. It's probably the more obvious hole in any planeset.

It is the most obvious hole in the BoB-planeset but definately not in the whole AH planeset. For example AH doesn't have a single VVS level bomber, at least it has one for the Luftwaffe.


The biggest hole in the plane set is the lack of medium early to mid-war Japanese bomber.

The second biggest hole is a tie between an early to mid war Russian fighter and a similar era Russian bomber.

I do agree that G4M is much needed addition as well, but AH at least has one Japanese level bomber, VVS has none.
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2008, 05:37:17 PM »
The biggest hole in the plane set is the lack of medium early to mid-war Japanese bomber.

The second biggest hole is a tie between an early to mid war Russian fighter and a similar era Russian bomber.


 Yes indeed,we also need high alt axis rides. I think the addition of any early to mid war planes are surely needed to sort out substitution in different scenarios. 1 thing I might point out though,if you've read into the DEV report,there is a 16 hardpoint limit that HTC has to solve.This unfortunately points to the conclusion that the A26 may be beyond the present games abilities.

 I'd like to see A26 added too! but it seems that other things need to be worked on before this can happen.So in the meantime I'd like to see the planesets evened out.



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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2008, 10:45:30 PM »
So, Vmaker, what would be your 2 plane vote, one axis, one allied?
Mine would be He-111 and I-16...I think.
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2008, 12:56:13 AM »
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2008, 06:01:08 AM »
"So, Vmaker, what would be your 2 plane vote, one axis, one allied?"

"NINE of them are from USA. 11 of them are allied aircraft, only two of them axis."

One allied? Why? To keep it balanced?

There are 50 allied planes and 28 axis ATM...  :eek:

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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2008, 08:31:57 AM »
So, Vmaker, what would be your 2 plane vote, one axis, one allied?
Mine would be He-111 and I-16...I think.

I would vote for KI-43 and Pe-2FT. Well, if it would be a vote then I'd probably vote Brewster and Pe-2FT just out of principle. :) But the obvious aircraft to add would be the KI-43 and Pe-2FT. And this is all assuming that We'd get at least regular Yak-9 and Yak-7b anyway as the Yaks are getting updated.

Since this thread obviously can't be kept being about fighters alone I'll just add that I can't really see any point in adding HE-111 right now. The BoB-planeset is the only planeset where it really is needed. With the JU-88 it is redundant in eastern front-setups and as those VVS early war rides can catch JU-88 better than a Hurricane I. We are in the middle of the BoB-scenario and the next one will probably be held again after two years. He-111 wouldn't add much to the MA-arenas either. Only place it would add something are AVA's BoB-setups but those always focus almost completely to the fighter vs fighter action. I'd like to see it when the next BoB-scenario is approaching but not now.
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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2008, 11:56:34 AM »
I do agree that G4M is much needed addition as well, but AH at least has one Japanese level bomber, VVS has none.

Really?  :aok

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Re: The next fighters to be added to AHII.
« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2008, 01:06:40 PM »
I'd hardly call the B-25 a LW monster. The B-25C is outclassed by the A-20 and B-26, and while I'll give you the B-25H as the premier strafer in the game, she needs either total air-superiority or a top-notch escort to get the job done.

The B-25H is an LW monster when it comes to taking out GVs.
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