jagdpanzer IV 70 (v)

[chris3]

moin

what about this...









would be a very nice tanke for the AH battelfields.

[chris3]

Moin

wow

no one has an opinion to this vehicle???? impressive! 

cu chris3

[glock89]

Love to see it be added i think it do just fine in HTC but i think the good old Stug should be added.  

[RMrider]

yea definetly, why not add another german tank. 

[Babalonian]

I'm a StuG fan and I agree with glock, the IV 70 was a very nice tank (I think less than 2000 were produced though), but the StuG was a lot more common (over 10,000 (!) StuG IIIs and IVs were produced during the war) and should be added to the game's tank selection much sooner than this.

I'd like to see at least the StuG III G and StuG IV in AHII and maybe these other StuG III variants:
StuG III Ausf. B (320 produced)
StuG III Ausf. E (272 produced.  slightly beter armor on the sides than the B, plus the first to come with a MG34 to help protect itself from enemy infantry)
StuG III Ausf. F (359 produced.  the F series was the first gun upgrade for the StuGs, it brought the StuGs enough firepower to be considered a tank destroyer, where before it was only really an effective infantry support tank.)
StuG III Ausf. F/8 (334 produced.  a slight upgrade to the original F's gun and an improved hull design over the original F.)
StuG III Ausf. G (the most common StuG of WWII, 7,720 Gs were produced (compare that to the 8,800-ish Panzer IVs (all variants) produced)... how is this not in the game?!  as the G series was based off a new chasis copied from the Panzer III, 173 additional ones were converted from existing battle-damaged Panzer III chasis.)

[glock89]

The Stug was the back bone for German TDs.

[theNewB]

Hetzer and StuG gets my votes, Jagdpanzer after those 2

[SmokinLoon]

I highly doubt a tank or TD without a revolvig turret would be worth a hoot in AH2.  Who would want to start up their engiones to turn their gun and risk giving away their position?  Besides, with the low profile of the Hetzer/StuG/Jgdpzr IV say good bye to using a ridge or hill for cover as they wont be able to do anything 'cept for exposed straight on shots vs the enemy. 

Oh... and imo, the StuG III was not a designated TD.  It was an "assault gun".  It could do it all depending on what was needed, but it excelled at nothing 'cept being cheap. 

If AH2 is going to introduce a legit TD, I suggest HTC seriously look at the M10 or M18.  The M10 would be easiest to add due to the chassis being the same as the current Sherman/Firefly, iirc.  I'd like to see the M18 added because it would add in a whole different aspect to the game: a fast (45-50mph off road?) and powerful gun (between the Pzr IV 75mm and Firefly's 17lb'er) with very little ability to stand and fight due to low armor (fragile!).  Perfect for shootin'-n-scootin'.

[Greebo]

The Stug wouldn't offer much over the Panzer IV we already have, same 48 calibre gun but no turret. Slightly lower silhouette and some more armour, but that's not much of an edge to compensate for the loss of the turret. The Jagdpanzer however has the much more powerful 70 calibre 75mm gun from the Panther. The Jagdpanzer would be less work for HTC to introduce than the Panther as the bottom half of the tank is basically the same as the Panzer IV.

[glock89]

Jagdpanther?

[Babalonian]

The StuGs front armor was pretty thick, and I don't know if this is programed in the game, but if drivers could park their StuGs with some good downward or upward angle, most head-on shells will bounce right off... some exceptions, like the earlier StuGs could easily be taken out with a shot right beneath their main gun (a lot of the more produced and earlier WWII german tanks could).  So if those strengths can't be taken advantage of, then no, a lot of tank destroyers in AH would be "gimped" by the game since they can't exploit their strengths.  It will already be fairly easy to take them out in this game from the air with cannons to their tops and rears (larger cannons won't have a problem with most TD side armor either I suspect).

[BigPlay]

I highly doubt a tank or TD without a revolvig turret would be worth a hoot in AH2.  Who would want to start up their engiones to turn their gun and risk giving away their position?  Besides, with the low profile of the Hetzer/StuG/Jgdpzr IV say good bye to using a ridge or hill for cover as they wont be able to do anything 'cept for exposed straight on shots vs the enemy. 

Oh... and imo, the StuG III was not a designated TD.  It was an "assault gun".  It could do it all depending on what was needed, but it excelled at nothing 'cept being cheap. 

If AH2 is going to introduce a legit TD, I suggest HTC seriously look at the M10 or M18.  The M10 would be easiest to add due to the chassis being the same as the current Sherman/Firefly, iirc.  I'd like to see the M18 added because it would add in a whole different aspect to the game: a fast (45-50mph off road?) and powerful gun (between the Pzr IV 75mm and Firefly's 17lb'er) with very little ability to stand and fight due to low armor (fragile!).  Perfect for shootin'-n-scootin'.

The problem with the 2 American choices is battlefield survivability. they would be no better than the current firefly. The stug was in fact the most important piece of armor to the German army. It was basically the back bone of both infantry and panzer divisions . To say it did nothing well is not correct. If I were a tanker and my choice was a Sherman , Churchill or Stug I would go Stug everytime. The Tigers turret traverse is very slow and starting it's engines rather than wait for the barrel to go around 180deg makes more sense to me, besides in lw TT where this would be used there are engine noises coming from everywhere so what's the big deal about leaving your engine running. You could use this thing to sit in the trees concealed and fire from standoff range where it's limited barrel traverse would be just fine. I'm sure that some of the games best tankers would find a use for it and be quite deadly with it.

[BigPlay]

The Stug wouldn't offer much over the Panzer IV we already have, same 48 calibre gun but no turret. Slightly lower silhouette and some more armour, but that's not much of an edge to compensate for the loss of the turret. The Jagdpanzer however has the much more powerful 70 calibre 75mm gun from the Panther. The Jagdpanzer would be less work for HTC to introduce than the Panther as the bottom half of the tank is basically the same as the Panzer IV.

The majority of the stugs had the L/48 75mm gun, same as the current panzers and its frontal armor and mantlet armor were much thicker than the panzers.

[glock89]

The Stug is most underrated tank out there got over shadow by the bigger Germans TD's  i know i seen Stugs with 105mm guns added near the end of the war just like the Sherman and it 105mm gun.

[Babalonian]

The Stug is most underrated tank out there got over shadow by the bigger Germans TD's  i know i seen Stugs with 105mm guns added near the end of the war just like the Sherman and it 105mm gun.

Yup, I think it has to do with the StuGs apearance to other tanks of the day, it was short, fat, and had a really short and blunt nose (only a couple feet long cannon barrel at most) compared to the taller, sleeker hulls and longer protruding barrels (longer than a man is tall, typicaly) of the tanks.