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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2008, 03:43:05 PM »
I would prefer Mk.VIII's with wing hard-points as well... no longer would I need to fly a Mustang or Lightning just for jabo work and have the other Canadians laugh at my apparent lack of Canuck spirit.
Mosquito Mk VI.  Good jabo and capable of being a fighter.  And Canadian.
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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2008, 03:54:15 PM »
VII or XII?

Good catch--sorry.

Spit XII?
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« Reply #77 on: November 18, 2008, 03:57:26 PM »
Canadian Mossies fighter-bombers were the Mk 21 and Mk 26.

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« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2008, 03:59:35 PM »
Good catch--sorry.

Spit XII?
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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2008, 05:54:59 PM »

Dan, what's so special about the Spit XII compared to what we have in game?

In all honesty Stoney, these guys in the photo below are why the XII is special.  It's the Tangmere Spit XII Wing, October 30 1943 not long after their best day when they got 9 109s and 190s for no losses.  Postwar research showed no over claims on it either.  The first time I ventured beyond just reading about WW2 aviation it was to research these guys.  I got to correspond with many of them and meet many as well.  I had fallen in love with the Spit when I had a chance to visit Duxford in 1980 when I did a semester of college in England.  The first Spit I saw up close was a clipped Spitfire Vc AR501.  I decided I was going to be a Spit expert, and then decided to narrow it down to one type.  i went with the XII because it looks good, was good and I like clipped wing Spits.  Only 100  built, to counter the low level 190 raiders of the late spring and early summer of 43.  Only two squadrons, 41 and 91 had them so it made my research area well defined.  I could tell you stories about the guys in the photo and go on for days. My prize posession is the logbook of one of the guys in the photo, given to me by his widow.  He flew with both 41 and 91 on XIIs.  It's autographed by a bunch of Spit XII pilots as I took it back to England for a 41 squadron reunion in 1985 and got them to sign it.

So I'd like it in the game so I can imagine what it might have been like to fly with the guys in the photo.  And it's essentially a 1943 version of what the LFIXe and LFXVI were in 1945.  A rocket down low, good climb, and able to compete well with the 190s and 109s.  I wouldn't push for it, because we have Spits who can do the job, but it's one I'd like for history reasons :)

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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #80 on: November 18, 2008, 05:58:47 PM »
I do recall reading a pilot's account of allowing 190s bounce their XII's because they were so confident of their spitfires superiority.
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« Reply #81 on: November 18, 2008, 06:01:20 PM »
Canadian Mossies fighter-bombers were the Mk 21 and Mk 26.
Mk 26 is just a name for Canadian built Mk VIs.  They were the same as the Mk VI in all practical ways.
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« Reply #82 on: November 18, 2008, 06:02:24 PM »
In all honesty Stoney, these guys in the photo below are why the XII is special.

Well, we're probably all guilty of nostalgia, otherwise we wouldn't play the game :)

Just curious as to the technical differences as I had never heard much about this version of the Spit.

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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #83 on: November 18, 2008, 06:13:53 PM »
Well, we're probably all guilty of nostalgia, otherwise we wouldn't play the game :)

Just curious as to the technical differences as I had never heard much about this version of the Spit.

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« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2008, 06:34:27 PM »
And it had a better view over the nose for dive bombing then Merlin Spits :)

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« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2008, 06:36:50 PM »
I do recall reading a pilot's account of allowing 190s bounce their XII's because they were so confident of their spitfires superiority.

That was the tactic.  Troll beneath the 109s and 190s, wait for the bounce, break into them and clobber em.   

The 109s and 190s learned not to come down after a few bouts.

I'd be lying if I said that isn't the reason I prefer low to high flying too btw.  it's been stuck in my head for years since I first read it in Wing Leader by Johnnie Johnson.  He was referring to Ray Harries, the Tangmere Wing Commander and his tactics.  He's the little guy, dead center of the Tangmere Wing Photo I posted.
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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2008, 07:29:38 PM »
very cool photos Corky   :aok

have to check out that book you mentioned sometime. I love the stories of the RAF guys, finshed reading Tempest and Typhoon aces, but haven't gotten into the spit stories much.
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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #87 on: November 19, 2008, 03:12:12 AM »
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And Mosquito VI was supposed to be able to out-run it according to comparison tests. Not so in AH.
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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #88 on: November 19, 2008, 04:24:49 AM »
Guppy,
Who is the second man from the left? Looks like a free french pilot and somehow his face reminds me on something...

edit: I mean in the Tangmere group picture.

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Re: Spitfire wing tips
« Reply #89 on: November 19, 2008, 07:06:58 AM »
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Who is the second man from the left? Looks like a free french pilot and somehow his face reminds me on something...


Hi Harri, maybe Jean Maridor? 

Edit- hmm, possibly Jaco Andrieux if not Maridor.
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