B-25B [Doolittle Raider]

[HB555]

If you guys are still looking at this thread, go

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,235056.0.html

Kermit did a film on this very subject some time ago.

[trigger2]

The Doolittle Raid on Japan was a one time deal and was planned as a sneak attack but they were compromised before they reach their intended launch point because of Japanese picket ships.

Quite the contrary, at first, the Japanese people were thinking it was going to be yet another public display of Japanese military power, a 'show' so to speak.
The ack-ack gunners were in shock, scrambled to their guns, and shot piss-poorly.
They were almost spotted by a flight of japanese planes along the coast, but the "kamakazi" (Holy, or Protecting winds) storm with the low laying clouds covered them. It was quite lucky actually.

I think that on the anniversary of the attack, for one day, it should be enabled on CV's. One day a year, like the Christmas thing.

[Coog03]

I agree with trigger and whiteman. 1 day a year!

[RTHolmes]

the Doolittle raid was a significant turning point in the war

lol no it wasn't - it was a PR exercise for morale. if this gets in I want an extra option for the C47:
1. GV supplies
2. Field Supplies
3. 10 Troops
4. Vera Lynn/Glenn Miller (reduces downtime of troops/supplies by 50%)

[Ack-Ack]

Whilst I recall hearing that HTC has said that they won't do this, I would nevertheless like to see it.

However, it would/should probably be perked, and even then it might be very difficult to take off from the CV (and don't forget that you probably wouldn't have any drones either).

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Yossarian

It shouldn't be perked because it shouldn't be added to the game.  This wasn't a 'naval' variant of the B-25B, it was a one off deal for one mission and that's it and that alone should preclude it from being added to AH.   


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

I disagree; certain very vocal individuals in the 'community' have such an aversion, however there is a far larger not-so-vocal group of people who would welcome the option of adding many new features and planes to the game.

No, we are only advocating planes that will bring something to the game, you and your ilk on the other hand want to add any plane you see on the History Channel.


ack-ack

[Stang]

No... no... no... no...no...NO!!!!

 

[Yossarian]

No, we are only advocating planes that will bring something to the game, you and your ilk on the other hand want to add any plane you see on the History Channel.


ack-ack

Two things:
a) I don't watch the History Channel.
b) What do you have against me?

Yossarian

[Guppy35]

Two things:
a) I don't watch the History Channel.
b) What do you have against me?

Yossarian

There is a Catch 22 comment in there somewhere.

I think much of it comes down to folks always wanting one more thing.  We have the 25C and the 25H.  Considering how few of us actually fly the things, adding another bird, for a one off mission where every last one was lost, seems silly.  The argument is that it would help take the town down quicker by launching off the carriers off shore.  Well that wasn't ever done for real, the Doolittle birds launched so far out they ran out of gas and ended up wrecked, ditched or interned.  Is the guy who wants to launch his 25B 400 yards off shore, willing to instend launch 700 miles out?  I kinda doubt it.

If you are a 25 fanatic, fly the 25C or H.  There are enough birds the game could use long before the 25B.  And if folks want to memorialize the Doolittle Raid once a year, the 25C looks just the same.

[Yossarian]

There is a Catch 22 comment in there somewhere.

I think much of it comes down to folks always wanting one more thing.  We have the 25C and the 25H.  Considering how few of us actually fly the things, adding another bird, for a one off mission where every last one was lost, seems silly.  The argument is that it would help take the town down quicker by launching off the carriers off shore.  Well that wasn't ever done for real, the Doolittle birds launched so far out they ran out of gas and ended up wrecked, ditched or interned.  Is the guy who wants to launch his 25B 400 yards off shore, willing to instend launch 700 miles out?  I kinda doubt it.

If you are a 25 fanatic, fly the 25C or H.  There are enough birds the game could use long before the 25B.  And if folks want to memorialize the Doolittle Raid once a year, the 25C looks just the same.

I agree with most of what you're saying, however I would like to add that IMO the more variety there is in this game, the better.

Also, my original post in this topic was based on the premise that adding a B-25B would require very little work, assuming that it is very similar to the B-25C (however here I have to agree with what you say about the -C looking like the B version).

[Guppy35]

I agree with most of what you're saying, however I would like to add that IMO the more variety there is in this game, the better.

Also, my original post in this topic was based on the premise that adding a B-25B would require very little work, assuming that it is very similar to the B-25C (however here I have to agree with what you say about the -C looking like the B version).

No problem with variety.  Just gotta remember that the Doolittle raid really is the only B25B mission.  It was C's an D's to the MTO.  C's and D's to the PTO.  There just weren't that many B25Bs and in terms of combat flying, the Doolittle raid was it for the B model from everything I've read, or can find on it.  There were a total of 119 B25Bs built and almost 4000 C/D models.

If you wanted to push for variety I think you'd be better served pushing for the Navy/Marine versions of the 25C/D  or the later C/D with modified waist and tail positions. 

Then again I think we're doing ok right now, but I'm a 25C strafer fan myself

[skribetm]

that film by kermit was AWESOME!!

download time really was slow though, but worth the wait!!!

wish i was there for the scenario..

[HB555]

skribetm,
The film was not from a scenario.
Kermit came to myself and another CM with an idea. The three of us convinced the others to spend some time with us, allowing Kermit take after take after take. We spent hours, days, weeks, then he spent more weeks editing it.

Being CM's, we used the SEA and did all the set up per what he wanted and how he wanted it,

Kermit is working on another one now, based on BoB (Battle of Britian, but it is going to be much shorter.

[RTHolmes]

If you guys are still looking at this thread, go

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,235056.0.html

Kermit did a film on this very subject some time ago.

finally got round to watching it - outstanding work kermit and crew