Tank vs. airplane

[dirtdart]

Ladies and Gentlemen, to begin, I am in the Army and I have served in armored units so I can say I speak with a shred of authority on this matter.  I for one and tired of being shot by tanks whilst strafing the heck out of them in my new IL-2 of doom with those wicked 37mm guns.  Imagine if you will the variables involved and the accuracy required to fire a 7.5 cm round around a kilometer and striking a target travelling 250 kts and changing both altitude and distance (vertically and laterally) at a tremendous rate.  In a tank if you are not spot on with range you cannot hit another stationary tank, yet fire near an airplane and it explodes.  All of this is somehow possible without the aid of computers, barometric pressure measuring devices, thermomters and so on.  If you would please record yourself, if you indulge in the tank strafing, and see what I mean.  I do admire the few who can pull it off, but is seems this is now the standard.  I get popped consistently at 1k.  Please do not read into this as a gripe, merely a fishing trip to see if there are others who have noticed this. 

[MaSonZ]

ive noticed it myself. isnt always on the first or second pass, but i was in MW tonight and betty popped me at a 45 degree angle to her... i have served no time in the armed forces in anyway (to young) unless a junior member in the fire department counts; s o i have very little say in this matter other than what i see in game. 

[Buzzard7]

I have popped several aircraft this tour with the main gun on a tank. They were all coming directly toward the main gun. I don't remember the distance when I fired but it was under 1k. Don't need a fancy FCC for that kind of shot.

[Banshee7]

My personal best...18 Ground to Air kills in one sortie in a Panzer!  This was back a long time ago...and one of my witnesses was the dreaded drdeathx

[theNewB]

lol i got 8 last night in a t34/76, as for it being absurd, if you come in low enough for a gun to traverse and fire at you at less then 800, then you outta die. Only problem i have is there is instant co-ordination, no commander telling you location, elevation, and a turret that swings faster then it did in real life. other then that you shouldnt need to be that low to hit tanks anyway, making the armour in his tank have more angle and him to get a change to shoot at you. i come in high so only pintle will be able to shoot, i probably do come in low but they are usually on the move and i try not to pull out of my run infront of them. other then that enjoy my lack of grammer

[FLOTSOM]

yes i have noticed this as well.

on more than one occasion i have been shot down by a tanks main gun. if in each event i was flying directly at the tank then i would take my medicine and just chock it all up to dumb arsed bad luck and flying stupidly straight into a gun. but this has not always been the case.

on no less than three occasions i have been dropped by a tank jock while in a turn fight with other enemy a/c. this is not even a remote possibility, the complexities of attempting that kind of shot is beyond the abilities of today's targeting systems (for a single shot against an opponent constantly changing its flight path speed and altitude).

i know that some modern tanks can fire one of two types of rounds that are intended to take down a hovering or slow moving chopper, (one being like a shotgun blast of pellets an another that is like a WWII AA shell with a proximity fuse) but they could not target and score a "direct hit" on an evasively moving a/c going 200 or 300 mph at a range that is so close that the a/c disappears from their screen faster than they can turn their turret or adjust their line of fire. they especially couldn't do it without the aid of a targeting computer, something that tanks just didn't have 60 years ago.

its just one of the many annoying quirks (lazer targeting for bombers, planes that fly without wings ect) that must be dealt with while playing this game. unfortunately i dont believe there is a way to adjust the coding to prevent this from happening without hurt the rest of the performance of the gv in some manner unintended.

so b**ch not fly more and just let it go.

FLOTSOM

[ScatterFire]

I think that the main reason you are seeing it is because more players are trying it.  I've got 6-7 this tour with the main guns; prior to this tour I never attempted it because I just didn't think it was possible.  Of course of those all of them were planes coming in to strafe me, except for one that stalled at 2k out, right in front of my guns as I was looking for an enemy tank.  Couldn't resist trying

Look at it this way too; I've got like a 2.38% hit rate, which pretty much means I waste a LOT of ammo for every kill I get.  Averages say that eventually something will hit....

What I find more irritating is hearing ONE "tink" from a plane and finding myself in the tower  If you can one-hit us, I think it is only fair the main gun impacts every once in a while....

[haasehole]

its a game    its great to fire on a low plane that is strafing you down and u can hail mary it. i miss more than hit but have goten those holy cow side angle shots . its good for the game to have equilizers .

[PhantomBarron]

Since the remodel, the skies are full of IL2's looking and succeeding in destroying any and all GV'rs. One ping the turret is out, ping two engine dies, ping three your cartoon life is a memory. The only defence one has is to kill the low flying plane comming directly at you fro 500 out. Realism factor, well I dont think pilots would come in that low with little angle. I would think real pilots would come in somewhere from 30 - 45 degrees. That would make it highly unlikely to be killed by a tank.  

[Dream Child]

I took a look at my stats from some time ago (2006). Roughly 10% of all my kills in a Panzer were IL-2's trying to strafe me. If you can see down the barrel of my tank, you're doing it wrong, and you're just inviting me to put a big piece of lead up your nose. An IL-2 makes a big target coming right at a tank. The great part of it is, the better the pilot is able to hold his nose on target, the easier shot it is for me.

[WarSix]

Probably unrealistic but it is no different than taking a lead shot on a M8 moving at 55mph - shoot where he will be when the round reaches your target. I have hundreds of main gun air kills up to 2k out. Not wise to fly straight at barrel you should die 99% of the time even by those not very good at tanking yet as a 600 yd shot at a plane flying steady to get good stafing or missle shot in is a no brainer. Panzer is best at this although T34 almost as potent. Ask around its not luck when a decent tanker blows the crap out of the same guy 10 times in a row coming low and straight ( or on auto climb coming off field - who needs a computer to calculate that shot-LOL) into main gun range. Don't need fast turret tanks have treads just turn tank into attacking air plane ( or anything for that matter as heaviest armor in front) in first gear and stop to fire. I can't understand how an IL2 37mm can turret a tank with 1 round when an ostwind can fire tons of 37mm rounds dropping onto turret top with arched shot with a fairly similar angle of attack of rounds with little to no effect. Armor piercing as opposed to HE I suppose. BTW Thanks for your service to our great country ..if only the real world was so simple us regenerating cartoon warriors would of whooped the terrorist and got you all home by now:)<S>
 

[19kilo10(ironnite)]

Ladies and Gentlemen, to begin, I am in the Army and I have served in armored units so I can say I speak with a shred of authority on this matter.  I for one and tired of being shot by tanks whilst strafing the heck out of them in my new IL-2 of doom with those wicked 37mm guns.  Imagine if you will the variables involved and the accuracy required to fire a 7.5 cm round around a kilometer and striking a target travelling 250 kts and changing both altitude and distance (vertically and laterally) at a tremendous rate.  In a tank if you are not spot on with range you cannot hit another stationary tank, yet fire near an airplane and it explodes.  All of this is somehow possible without the aid of computers, barometric pressure measuring devices, thermomters and so on.  If you would please record yourself, if you indulge in the tank strafing, and see what I mean.  I do admire the few who can pull it off, but is seems this is now the standard.  I get popped consistently at 1k.  Please do not read into this as a gripe, merely a fishing trip to see if there are others who have noticed this. 

What unit were/are you with?

[save]

In an exercise in Sweden 1982 I was awarded a helicopter kill @ 1000  yards with my IKV91 tank .
We did , however,  use target computer for our 9cm gun.

[SlapShot]

yet fire near an airplane and it explodes. 

I doubt that ... the tank round actually has to strike the airplane. So, if anyone is lucky enough to put a tank round on a plane, then it's going to be a real bad sortie for that pilot.

I have had a few in my day and one doesn't need a computer to pop 110's or IL-2s at 200-400D, coming in at 20ft AGL straight as an arrow.

[SlapShot]

and a turret that swings faster then it did in real life.

Any you know this how ? ... you have some resource that HTC doesn't have in regards to the rates that the tanks can slew their turrets ?