Tank vs. airplane

[Raptor]

You telling me that if someone flys a real airplane right down the barrel of a real tank..... You should not be able to shoot it at 800 yards..... I bet its easier in real life... Just no one ever does it... and there would be plane wreckage everywere...

No, I am saying that hitting planes with somewhat consistency at 3k is not accurate. Also look at my previous post in which someone hit a plane at 1.5k flying perpendicular to the tank.

[Dream Child]

Proof it is too easy to shoot a plane with a tank shell in AH

Proof? If you can see down the tank's barrel, you're doing it wrong.

[B4Buster]

Ladies and Gentlemen, to begin, I am in the Army and I have served in armored units so I can say I speak with a shred of authority on this matter.  I for one and tired of being shot by tanks whilst strafing the heck out of them in my new IL-2 of doom with those wicked 37mm guns.  Imagine if you will the variables involved and the accuracy required to fire a 7.5 cm round around a kilometer and striking a target travelling 250 kts and changing both altitude and distance (vertically and laterally) at a tremendous rate.  In a tank if you are not spot on with range you cannot hit another stationary tank, yet fire near an airplane and it explodes.  All of this is somehow possible without the aid of computers, barometric pressure measuring devices, thermomters and so on.  If you would please record yourself, if you indulge in the tank strafing, and see what I mean.  I do admire the few who can pull it off, but is seems this is now the standard.  I get popped consistently at 1k.  Please do not read into this as a gripe, merely a fishing trip to see if there are others who have noticed this. 

It seem HE rounds will blow up if they pass near the plane, that's just what i've seemed to notice

[Dream Child]

It seem HE rounds will blow up if they pass near the plane, that's just what I've seemed to notice

No, you have to hit the plane, but remember, what you see and what the other player is seeing aren't exactly the same, so if I shoot at you and see a hit, you might see a miss but still take the hit anyways.

[captain1ma]

i enjoy plane killin in a panzer. i just let them get a bit closer and then drill them at D300-D500. just when they think then have me, POP goes the weasel. its great fun and it always makes em crazy hehehe. have a great day!!

[Shuffler]

Gamey but funny.

[warhed]

What I'm not understanding, is how is it really that gamey?  I mean, they aren't cheating, they aren't using some sophisticated piece of military hardware.  They are just getting a plane in their sights, using the proper lead, and pulling the trigger.  What are they doing that anyone could not do with enough practice?  I've heard a bunch of people say "how is it possible without computer tracking, it's unrealistic" etc.  Well, no one is using any aiming computers are they?  It sucks when it happens to you, but nothing fishy is going on. Take one big gun, find one plane, put plane in sights, use correct lead, pull trigger, boom. 

[Shuffler]

Gamey as in ... how many times can you find historically that this happened.

[warhed]

How many times did F4U-4s shoot down P-47s?

[Shuffler]

Not even in the same league...... those are both allied aircraft. Tanks didn't shoot planes with main gun because it was darn near impossible.

[KG45]

oh, lordy i loves to face shoot IL2's and 110's. yes indeed.

caught one on the wing once, but it was a lucky pot-shot. but if you're coming at my tank low and slow, expect an AP round in the face.

[VonMessa]

Proof? If you can see down the tank's barrel, you're doing it wrong.

What he said, basically.

If you fly straight at me, within the deflection limits of my main gun, looking down the barrel of it............

I will pop you each and every time, no question.

Don't like it?  Change your approach angle.    Get beyond the elevation angle of my tank.  Do not fly at me, almost horizontally, from 5 K out, telegraphing your intention.  

I intentionally look for guys doing exactly that, just so I can pop them with my main gun.    

[warhed]

Shuffler, if it is indeed impossible, how are they doing it? They aren't cheating... And how would you propose to make it more in line with real life?

[Shuffler]

It being darn near impossible in RL was what I meant by gamey. Only in a game are you going to see that happen with such regularity.

[warhed]

But in what possible way could you fix it?  They aren't doing anything that is fakey or gamey in my opinion, just putting proper lead on a fast moving target.  And when they shoot a slow moving IL-2 coming straight at down their gun, I can especially see how a tank can kill a plane.  The other more difficult shots are just the result of practice.