An Interesting Merge

[jerkins]

I just thought this was kind of interesting and you might enjoy it also.

interesting_merge.ahf

[Qrsu]

Very nice, I especially like the shot you made. 

[Bosco123]

Linky not working for me.

[oakranger]

Linky not working for me.

me too

[Shane]

it'd work for me if my semi-anal retentive security settings would let it.   

[Bosco123]

Fianlly got the link to work, and I found it nothing new. The only thing you did that was diffrent from mine, is that you E merged him. I just go for the stright fight.

[dedalos]

it'd work for me if my semi-anal retentive security settings would let it.   

Hey, are you in the security software business? 

[humble]

Thats actually one of Cretons (among others) favorite merges. It will work well in a plane with some "zoom" or a bird like the 109K with a lot of raw power. IMO its not really an E opener at all but more of an angles to E to angles since its dependent on what the other guy is doing to a degree. Basically its creating an "under" on the remerge such that if the bpge went angles on the initial merge he's left with a losing position on the remerge. If the con goes for a double E on the opener your sitting ugly (although with the mossies guns and zoom you might get a look). where that merge gets interesting is if the bogie elects to initiate a 2 circle fight...

[jerkins]

Fianlly got the link to work, and I found it nothing new. The only thing you did that was diffrent from mine, is that you E merged him. I just go for the stright fight.

Wasnt saying it was anything new, I just thought the mossy stall was interesting.  The mossy does not always stall so controllably.

Thats actually one of Cretons (among others) favorite merges. It will work well in a plane with some "zoom" or a bird like the 109K with a lot of raw power. IMO its not really an E opener at all but more of an angles to E to angles since its dependent on what the other guy is doing to a degree. Basically its creating an "under" on the remerge such that if the bpge went angles on the initial merge he's left with a losing position on the remerge. If the con goes for a double E on the opener your sitting ugly (although with the mossies guns and zoom you might get a look). where that merge gets interesting is if the bogie elects to initiate a 2 circle fight...

Yep, I think the first to pull a merge like this on me was jamusta.  I dueled creton (though he may not remember) a couple of times when i first started, kind of a squad dueling goofing off thing.  He womped me pretty good, and held off guns a lot until he was dead six on me.  I didnt even know what he was doing at the time.

[Bosco123]

Wasnt saying it was anything new, I just thought the mossy stall was interesting.  The mossy does not always stall so controllably.

I noticed that, I just thought you were talking about the merge itself. In that case, I think what you did was you got lucky with which way it stalled, you didn't use any flaps from what I saw, and I realy don't know how much control you put in it. The only peson that I know that can control a stall like that and do it everytime is Blukitty.

[mechanic]

there is a moment between normal flight and stall when you must initiate whatever turn you want or fall uncontrolled. The margin for error in the mossy is slim but sometimes even the worst unplanned stalls can work out.  mmm   guns

[Bosco123]

Thats what I'm saying, you can get lucky every once and a wile, but there is a few people that can do it almost everytime. Blukitty is one of them.

[Traveler]

The video left me with a question from an aircraft modeling point of view, how is it that the Mossy maintained directional control down to 20 miles per hour?  It didn't lose directional until 16 miles per hour, perhaps a little more.  The aircraft did not have counter rotating props.   The mossy had a big tail, but not enough to counter the P-factor from 2800 horse power even if it was at idle and it seemed to be at some power setting, not zero thrust.  try taking off in a mossy and not hold right rudder below 60 miles per hour and you end up off to the left side of the  runnway.  Something not right here?  I'm not saying that the fight wan't a good one, just that I don't think the real aircraft would have been able to do that.  Not without a major loss of directional control.

[jerkins]

As batfink was saying, its all about timing of you control surfaces.  I was applying rudder and opposite aileron to keep it straight, then I cut throttle when very slow to help fight the torque.  I set the plane up to stall like that before i reached the 20mph mark, by 75mph or so, the plane is already stalling and further inputs do very little. 

Of course, a little luck go's a long way.  As I said before, the mossy can get into some ugly stalls.  Sometime you can get into a nasty upside down flat spin, which I have trouble recovering from.

[Traveler]

As batfink was saying, its all about timing of you control surfaces.  I was applying rudder and opposite aileron to keep it straight, then I cut throttle when very slow to help fight the torque.  I set the plane up to stall like that before i reached the 20mph mark, by 75mph or so, the plane is already stalling and further inputs do very little. 

Of course, a little luck go's a long way.  As I said before, the mossy can get into some ugly stalls.  Sometime you can get into a nasty upside down flat spin, which I have trouble recovering from.

That was my point, even with moderate power setting the tail surface is to small to allow a pilot to hold directional control below 75MPH.  The mossy in the video goes a long way without losing directional control(Yaw) at speeds well below 75MPH   That's why I questioned the aircraft model.  The flaps do nothing to create additional tail surface on the rudder.  Ailerons on the mossy may have pervented roll, but yaw is all about rudder and I saw no yaw until an indicated air speed  of 16 MPH. That is why I questioned the aircraft model.