FSX - whats coming?

[Denholm]

I already have my PMDG 747 and 737s tamed. Rather simple if you understand how to work the FMC. If you haven't learned how to fly the PMDG planes, do it! They're marvelous creations that nobody in the FS world should miss out on.

[Cobra516]

Yea I've been thinking about buying a PMDG plane for a while, but I don't usually do much high altitude stuff, yet.

[Chalenge]

I just bought the Cessna Mustang and I will probably get the Cessna 400 if it ever comes about (the Columbia 400 has the wrong avionics for me). Maybe I will get the PMDG after Christmas.

[Denholm]

If you're wondering which to buy for FSX, buy them both! PMDG is top-notch quality. They spent years making their 747, and I think two years making their MD-11. Absolute quality software if you combine it with some advanced camera software such as Active Camera or DBS Walk and Follow.

[Chalenge]

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I guess I will do something else then. 

[Cobra516]

I got the Citation Mustang yesterday.  It's a killer on framerates - even with my relatively stout rig (Q9550 quad at 3.83 ghz, 4 gigs ram, and a GTX 280 SSC o/c'd) - granted I'm running FSX at max graphics settings with anti alaising,   But it's drops the FPS by a lot compared to the other stuff I fly - guess that's part of having a highly detailed airplane to fly. 

I also got the Digital Aviation Cheyenne X - it's outstanding, excellent FPS and extremely detailed avionics/systems - I like the steam gauges better than glass anyway.
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I can see how FSX can get very expensive,

[Chalenge]

Did you experience ice up on the Mustang yet? Surprised me because I dont have another airplane that does that! It really got me thinking about the wing buildup after that!

[Cobra516]

Well I tweaked with the texture bandwidth buffer and bufferpool size in the fsx.cfg file and have it running very nicely now, even at max settings - I couldn't believe the improvement, can fly over LAX now and it's very smooth.  The Mustang still taxes it a bit, but certainly playable.

I saw some photos of the icing but haven't tried it yet, will have to give it a shot, very cool feature.  I wish all the airplanes would show ice accumulation.

[Fishu]

I already have my PMDG 747 and 737s tamed. Rather simple if you understand how to work the FMC. If you haven't learned how to fly the PMDG planes, do it! They're marvelous creations that nobody in the FS world should miss out on.

Then there's also LDS 767, Leonardo's Fly the Maddog (MD-80 series) and Flight1 ATR-72 for prop enthusiastics. They're actually better accuracy wise than PMDG. Although the MD-11 is great and ahead of the 747 and 737 in system modelling, however the 2D cockpit textures are awful.

I got the Citation Mustang yesterday.  It's a killer on framerates - even with my relatively stout rig (Q9550 quad at 3.83 ghz, 4 gigs ram, and a GTX 280 SSC o/c'd) - granted I'm running FSX at max graphics settings with anti alaising,   But it's drops the FPS by a lot compared to the other stuff I fly - guess that's part of having a highly detailed airplane to fly.

I had some expectations towards the mustang, but now that it's released it appears to be completely useless to me and the developes appear to be a bit arrogant. Of all the problems the biggest problem is the inability to update navigational data. The devs jumped to defend this saying that with the updates the FS world wouldn't match the data, which is quite a poor excuse considering that airfields are not difficult at all to modify and I've never used the FS navigational data as the fixes and airways are completely outdated (which is also a good reason to stay off of outdated 3rd party navigation systems) - just doesn't fit to my online requirements.

So I will not get the mustang which lacks proper navigational data and something else.

[Chalenge]

I had some expectations towards the mustang, but now that it's released it appears to be completely useless to me and the developes appear to be a bit arrogant. Of all the problems the biggest problem is the inability to update navigational data. The devs jumped to defend this saying that with the updates the FS world wouldn't match the data, which is quite a poor excuse considering that airfields are not difficult at all to modify and I've never used the FS navigational data as the fixes and airways are completely outdated (which is also a good reason to stay off of outdated 3rd party navigation systems) - just doesn't fit to my online requirements.

So I will not get the mustang which lacks proper navigational data and something else.

What were you hoping for? a Navigraph plugin? I guess if you use it for home based training it might be useful but otherwise? What is the other thing you mention? A flush handle on the toilet? (kidding) Is your AP giving you trouble too?

[Fishu]

That's what I meant with the arrogance.

[Chalenge]

Well given that reply I would have to say your expectations for bang/buck was too fantastic. I would expect something like that from a professional tool but not recreational software.

[Fishu]

Well given that reply I would have to say your expectations for bang/buck was too fantastic. I would expect something like that from a professional tool but not recreational software.

The Mustang *ALREADY* has navigational data, but for some reason they opted to not make it updateable. It doesn't make it any more professional, just easier when you have up to date navdata that compares with the charts. Try to plot your route in VATSIM/IVAO when airways or fixes doesn't compre with the available charts online. Not to mention how I as an ATC love people flying online with a flightplan route from 2001 or so - try then to figure out what kind of route he's going to use between airports X and Y!

Why do you conclude that I want a navigraph "plugin"? I'm talking about a text file with beacons, fixes, airways and airports in it, which already exists inthe product, but cannot be updated. Updateable navdata is a stantard nowadays and makes alot of things less of a hassle. Old data is useless and makes the equipment only partially useful. They advertised the Mustang as some sort of highly modelled piece of an addon, but for some reason they've badly neglected an essential piece of equipment and did not create a navdata file that could be easily updated. I figure it took them more effort to scramble it than use an existing readily available navdata format.

[Cobra516]

How many add-on aircraft have updatable nav data? 
 

[Chalenge]

The data when you buy airports and aircraft are 'fixed' at some point in time (I think early 2006 typically) and I dont know of a single airplane that has upgradeable navdata but I havent looked too hard. It is true that IVAO has its own navigation data set but I have never run into a problem and also I have not spent enough time in the manual to try the Mustang online. If there is a real need for it then maybe this is an opportunity to market something!