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Offline 1701E

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X-mas Gift
« on: December 08, 2008, 07:49:42 PM »
Well, looking at possibly upgrading my GPU this holiday season, and was curious what would be best for around 150$ on the following PC.

Specs:
AMD Athlon X2 4850E 2.5GHz
Biostar NF61S-M2 TE  Micro-ATX Motherboard (has 1 PCI-E x16, not 2.0)
2GB DDR2 PC-6400 Ram
630Watt PSU: with 19A on 12V1; 23A on 12V2.  Has 1x 6-pin Power cord for GPU.


I currently have a GeForce 7900GS, and while it is good, it is a little low compared to the games I play.  I can play all but one of my games on med/high with 25+ FR

Hope someone know what would be best.  If there is nothing really worth it with this current set-up, I will keep looking at other upgrade options.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 11:34:52 PM »
I always consult Tomshardware since they have time to do nice benchmarks on video cards.  Their monthly article here, recommends:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-graphics,2086.html

 Best PCIe Card For $160:

Good 1920x1200 performance in most games, some with lowered detail

Radeon HD 4850 Codename:    RV770
Process:    55 nm
Universal Shaders:    800
Texture Units:    40
ROPs:    16
Memory Bus:    256-bit
Core Speed MHz:    625
Memory Speed MHz:    993 (1,986 effective)
DirectX / Shader Model    DX 10.1 / SM 4.0

The Radeon HD 4850 is the new people’s champion, instantly bringing yesterday’s $300 performance level down to the mainstream $160 price point. This card has a lot of potential when used on its own, and becomes a devastating force when paired with a second 4850 in a CrossFire configuration.

Best PCIe Card For $120: Tie Good 1600x1200 performance in most games; 1920x1200 in most titles with some lowered detail

Radeon HD 4830 Codename:    RV770LE
Process:    55 nm
Universal Shaders:    640
Texture Units:    32
ROPs:    16
Memory Bus:    256-bit
Core Speed MHz:    575
Memory Speed MHz:    900 (1,800 effective)
DirectX / Shader Model    DX 10.1 / SM 4.0

The new Radeon HD 4830 finally gives AMD something to compete against the legendary GeForce 8800 GT (as well as its identical sibling, the 9800 GT). Just as the 8800 GT is a crippled 8800 GTS, the Radeon HD 4830 is a crippled 4850. Both cards are excellent, while one winning over the other depends on the game or the image-quality settings.

GeForce 9800 GT 512 MB (aka GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB) Codename:    G92
Process:    65 nm
Universal Shaders:    112
Texture Units:    56
ROPs:    16
Memory Bus:    256-bit
Core Speed MHz:    600
Memory Speed MHz:    900 (1,800 effective)
DirectX / Shader Model    DX 10 / SM 4.0

While the Radeon HD 4830 offers the 8800/9800 GT its first competition in its price class, the card remains a strong contender and is still a viable option.

Note that it has been reported that some 9800 GTs have been found in the wild with 3-way SLI support.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 12:11:07 AM »
I'd go with an EVGA 9800 but I'm an Nvidia/EVGA guy.  My 8800 GTS 512 runs consistantly at my monitor refresh rate.  Find the one that fits your budget.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2008, 12:14:21 AM »
The thing I wasn't sure about, was whether the PSU can power a newer GPU.  Since I haven't money for a newer PSU as well, I am trying to keep it in the PSU limits.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2008, 12:21:33 AM »
The thing I wasn't sure about, was whether the PSU can power a newer GPU.  Since I haven't money for a newer PSU as well, I am trying to keep it in the PSU limits.

This is for the 9800 GTX:  Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amps.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2008, 12:22:43 AM »
Any of those cards should work on your PSU.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2008, 01:48:12 AM »
The thing I wasn't sure about, was whether the PSU can power a newer GPU.  Since I haven't money for a newer PSU as well, I am trying to keep it in the PSU limits.
Any of the eVGA 9 series will work and only need 1 6 pin connector.  Do not use adaptors for this.  IF your PSU does nto have a 6 pin look at different cards.  And egle put the specs up for power

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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2008, 09:46:28 AM »
Alright thanks for the help.  Looking at a "GeForce 9800 GTX 512MB" for now.

Death you mentioned "and only need 1 6 pin connector.  Do not use adaptors for this."  Does that mean a card that says "Two 6-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors -or- One 6-pin PCI Express and two 4-pin Molex supplementary power connectors"  --  Only needs one 1-pin?  The '-or- . . .' is for a BFG card, but the EVGA one says 2x 6-pins.  If it does need 2x 6-pins, Would the adapter work?

And one final question, how would it affect a 'PCI-E x16 2.0 card' to be in a 'PCI-E x16 slot'?

I normally buy older, still good, parts so this takes so getting use to. :)
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2008, 12:51:54 PM »
Alright thanks for the help.  Looking at a "GeForce 9800 GTX 512MB" for now.

Death you mentioned "and only need 1 6 pin connector.  Do not use adaptors for this."  Does that mean a card that says "Two 6-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors -or- One 6-pin PCI Express and two 4-pin Molex supplementary power connectors"  --  Only needs one 1-pin?  The '-or- . . .' is for a BFG card, but the EVGA one says 2x 6-pins.  If it does need 2x 6-pins, Would the adapter work?

And one final question, how would it affect a 'PCI-E x16 2.0 card' to be in a 'PCI-E x16 slot'?

I normally buy older, still good, parts so this takes so getting use to. :)
One 6-pin PCI Express and two 4-pin Molex supplementary power connectors was something they added when the PSU makers did not include 2 6 pins.  Every support forum and card maker states this is temp at best if you use it.  Some say the warranty is void if you now use them.  The 9 series I looked at on eVGA site only needed 1 6 pin power connection.  I have never used or installed one of these cards all I can do is look at what the manufacture states. eVGA "An available 6 pin PCI-E power connector (hard drive power dongle to PCI-E 6 pin adapter included with card)"  but there is a little paper in the box that says basically get a power supply that has a 6 pin quickly.

So to answer your question yes if your PSU has one 6 pin and you have the available Molex for a "second" 6 pin it will power the card but is not recommended.

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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2008, 01:09:11 PM »
IIRC I've only got one 6 pin connected to my 8800 and nothing else.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2008, 02:02:38 PM »
IIRC I've only got one 6 pin connected to my 8800 and nothing else.
My 8800 has only 1 6pin PCI-E connector.  I thought I remember when I was buying my card that the 8800 GTX required 2 6 pins as compared to 1 for my GTS
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2008, 02:03:47 PM »
As shown in this picture, the GTX requires two 6 pins.


475W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 26A or more***
Two 6-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors -or- One 6-pin PCI Express and two 4-pin Molex supplementary power connectors
Minimum system power requirement based on a PC configured with an Intel Core2 Duo E4500 processor.
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2008, 09:57:08 PM »
Although the 9800GTX shows 2-6 pin molex, this is not the card for $150. The 9800GT is the card for appr. $130-175 depending on manufacturer. This is definitely the card you want and all have a 6 pin molex. Do not get hyped up on how "sleek" a card looks. Sometimes a card that does not look as "sleek" actually runs cooler. Your 630 W PSU will be ample for this card.



Here is one for $129.99





http://www.xpcgear.com/n9800gtt2d512.html




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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 12:19:33 AM »
Although the 9800GTX shows 2-6 pin molex, this is not the card for $150. The 9800GT is the card for appr. $130-175 depending on manufacturer.
BFG 9800 GTX 512mb - $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143137
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Re: X-mas Gift
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2008, 12:33:09 AM »
As shown in this picture, the GTX requires two 6 pins.
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Great deal Fulmar! for  $150 but just found 1 for $109  new!!!!!!  9800GT. Can he get an adapter for another 6 pin molex?

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-512-P3-N975-AR-e-GeForce-512MB-Graphics/dp/B001DDYSLA/ref=sr_1_1/185-6398495-8208161?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1228890931&sr=1-1
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