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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2008, 04:50:40 PM »
That might end "suicidal lemming" jabo'ing.  :aok

Then again, it might end jabo'ing, period.  :(

Would you still get credit for your buildings blowed up and tanks destroyed and what have you?

Sure you'd get credit.  But since everyone swears they don't care about score, it shouldn't prevent anyone from jabo'ing.  It would be interesting to see if it would change behavior.
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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2008, 05:30:05 PM »
It would be nice for when you find PT's on your fighter mission  ;) -- but I don't think it can happen.  It would mess up how sorties are recorded and scored, as you may begin a sortie attack and end it fighter.  Which one would it fall under in this case? 


Which ever one you wanted it to.
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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2008, 05:33:01 PM »
There are more than just "points" in the scoring system.  Just based on hit percentage, it cannot work the way you say.  The game would not have a way of tracking whether to score misses aginst fighter hit % or attack hit % since it would not know which type of target you were trying to shoot at.  There would be complications with other scoring stats also.

Air to air means aircraft and Ground argets are on the ground sooo.... :rolleyes: i'm afraid I dont understand your logic.

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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2008, 05:35:00 PM »
how about a option where you could leave it on attack all the time if you wanted to.

Thats already an option or just a plain agreement with what I have said.  Meaning you forget or you have set everything to attack and dont want to go inti both realms.
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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2008, 05:38:31 PM »
I know where the OP is comming from.  Could a preference be added (or a check-box "Prompt before flight" added next to the current buttons) so that, just like in a mission, you're prompted how you want to score the sortie just before you hit the runway?

Jeeezuz did you read the original post?
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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2008, 06:07:22 PM »
Air to air means aircraft and Ground argets are on the ground sooo.... :rolleyes: i'm afraid I dont understand your logic.

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You shoot at something, you miss.  What were you shooting at so the game can score it as a miss?  Was it a ground target, or an air target?

You can easily miss an air target and hit the ground flying under 3,000 feet AGL.

What's so hard to understand?
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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2008, 11:25:16 PM »
Sure you'd get credit.  But since everyone swears they don't care about score, it shouldn't prevent anyone from jabo'ing.  It would be interesting to see if it would change behavior.

Maybe I'm digressing off topic here, but...

From what I can see, the #1 source of un-realism and dweebery is not the score potatos, it is the landgrab lemmings IMHO. If I am trying to blow up some of the enemy property on a dive-bomber run, I am going to get enough alt to maybe avoid the horde, come in above the ack and have enough speed going through the ack to possibly survive and avoid the horde of enemy fighters. This takes times. I am also going to release ords and pull up soon enough to avoid augering, which reduces target size for me. If I survive, depending on situation, I am either going to attempt to engage as a fighter or RTB, which takes further time. The guy who dumps his ord at the target and either lawndarts or just tries to vulch/strafe down ack guns until he bites it can grab another ords mule immediately and return. Perversely, the guy who flies like a pilot who wants to see the bright (and red :devil) lights of home again is actually strategically less valuable.
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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2008, 11:33:56 PM »
I like the idea of the clipboard asking you which way to score the sortie before you takeoff, the way it does when you are in a mission.
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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2008, 08:44:44 AM »
I look at it this way.... if your worried about "score" pay attention ! If you worry about score you fly different anyway, its just one more thing to pay attention to. If score really isn't important to you, why would it matter how the run was scored?

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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2008, 08:53:47 AM »
No way. 

More "gaming the game" wishes.   ;) 

*snort*

Having separate "Fighter" and "Attack" score is totally contrived in the first place.

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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2008, 09:37:42 AM »
  An amusing and sad note on this topic. I admit  :o :o  that this ToD I set a small statistical goal to get my K/D to 2.0 (I know I suck and it means nothing---don't need to tell me). So far it has been fluctuating between 1.8 and 2.1. The first time I got to 2.0 I said---OK take a little break and do some ground attacks. I went up in a 110G to get some PT boats. I took rockets so I ASSumed that I was automatically in attack mode. One PT boat had one of these Ak-gun geniuses in it----pilot kill before I fired. So, I went like 6 kills and was killed 4 times. Lo and behold I was STILL IN FIGHTER MODE  :eek: :eek: and had dropped into the 1's again. I now check carefully.


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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2008, 05:36:46 PM »
You realize there is a little box in the hanger where you can choose Fighter or Attack (if available).  I mean, you're already choosing a plane, putting on bombs, choosing fuel, and you "forgot" to switch to attack???  And you want HTC to make it easier because youforgot?

Oh please.....

How about, bombs = attack, no bombs = fighter.  Then, you don't need to think or decide.


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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2008, 06:49:35 PM »
I wasn't complaining---don't give a damn what they do---just re-counting amusing screw up by myself---nothing more. I know the thread author was---so your remarks are germane to that---I'm just stepping aside on the merits.


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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2008, 07:19:09 PM »
I wasn't complaining---don't give a damn what they do---just re-counting amusing screw up by myself---nothing more. I know the thread author was---so your remarks are germane to that---I'm just stepping aside on the merits.

Wasn't replying to your comment.  I'm a slow typer.  But, as you said, just check to make sure the right box is selected.  It's right there.


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Re: changing from fighter to attack in the aircraft
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2008, 10:58:20 PM »
Been there, done that Impakt. 

As I said in a previously in a reply, the only "wish" I have on this subject is that a way to verify mode in flight would be a nice addition.

I don't really want a pop-up asking me when I take off.  I already yell at the game enough when I go in the hanger and it starts giving multiple pop-ups because things are unavailable at that field :)