An observation in the MA

[Soda]

Last night I was playing AH as usual and decided to make a post about something that I'm sure just about everybody on AH has noticed. Maybe Pyro and HTC in general have something to say about it, maybe not.  Nothing is meant as an attack on anyone, this is just a set of observations, but I'm sure eveyrone will still read a tonne into it.

To put this whole discussion into context here are my stats (subject to change of course) against many of the vehicles in AH.  As of today my K/D vs planes(and one vehicle) stats are something like this (plane is enemy plane).  I'd guess that 75% of all kills/deaths I'm in a Spit9.
<plane>   <kills>  <deaths>
P51        7        3
Spit9      13       4
C-Hog      17       12
N1K        12       5
Spit5      5        3
P38        8        2
Typhoon    9        3
190A5      1        1
P47-30     8        1
Yak        1        0
Ostwind    30       26
M16        4        2
C202, D-Hog, 109G10, 205, A8, La5, P47-25... all O and O.  Anything with less than 3 total encounters is probably in this category too (Yak, 190's, Zero)

Now, I hate to point out the blatently obvious but look at the two most popular AH units I'm finding, the c-hog and Ostwind, by a landslide.  Next would be the Spit9 and N1K while the P51, Typhoon, P47-30 and P38 round out the lineup.  I have yet to see, or have seen only once or twice any other plane in AH... where are all the C205's?  10 different plane types I've only seen once, twice, or never this month.  The La5's, D-Hogs? Yaks? P47-25s?... hey I'm sure everyone is seeing the same thing, lots and lots of N1K's, c-hogs (you just know they are), Spits and P51's flying around.  Finding a P38 is almost a treat and finding a Yak in the MA is akin to finding 3 girls willing to threesome with you  

Everyone is flying one of these planes most of the time (or a lot of people are).  I've flown against bish, rook, and watched my other Knits.  It's going around.  The Quake type gameplay of the Ostwind and c-hog is very attractive, I've done it myself at times, I can't lie, but damn the MA is turning into a 3 plane race with a smattering of other people flying kites that they have personal attachment to.  I'm a Spit guy myself so guilty like the rest.

Last night I got blasted a couple of times by C-Hogs... knew it from the coupl'a ping deaths.  Got close enough to tell that they didn't have the big arrow on one wing.  Spent most of those battles just trying to avoid the HO's that come time after time and ended up paying the price for it.. avoiding HO's costs energy yet as a C-Hog pilot it's the best option often (been there, done that).

So, my question/comment, is the MA turning into a 5 plane race (and one ground vehicle)?  Facing endless C-hogs and Ostwinds just isn't that interesting.  I'm sure I'm not the only one.  I don't think that my gameplay is much different from the rest of you, is everyone seeing the same thing?  What a terrible waste of flight models but if nobody is flying them then there must be a reason.  They just aren't competitive against these 5 or so kites... does nobody care?  Would only some superplane be fitting to add at this point or would it become another C202 that nobody flys after the first week or two.  I hate seeing AH turn into a 20mm (since everything in the top 8 or so of the list except the P51's has at least a single 20mm) world.  

Comments, make'm, I'm sure I'll get some "you're a whiner" comments.  I bet the people that make those comments fly a lot of one of these planes though, not a C202... I'm just trying to make people aware so maybe it can help the game.

Soda.

[flakbait]

I agree with you. I was in an La-5 just west of V32 this morning when I met up with an N1K2. By the time we merged, and I pulled into a turn, he'd already reversed and was on my 6. I wish I'd taken film. It took me 5 seconds to reverse, in blackout, and he had already cranked 270 degrees and started firing on me.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?



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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by Soda:
is akin to finding 3 girls willing to threesome with you  

 Comments, make'm, I'm sure I'll get some "you're a whiner" comments.  
Soda.

No comments other than it would actually be a "foursome"  

Plus, that YAK encounter might have been me!

I do admit to flying the C Hog alot lately...that's because I never get above 5k looking for all those ostie's that are attacking an airbase.

Cobra

[Apache]

Bah, your stats indicate your target preferences, nothing more. If you look for 'em, you will find 'em. In the text buffer lastnight, there were numerous people going "chog huntin'". AH stats show kills and deaths, not sorties flown per air frame.

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[funked]

Flakbait maybe he started turning before you did?

[Soda]

Apache,
  I've never gone hunting for any one airframe in particular in the entire time I've played AH.  I sometimes choose to attack one over another if I bump into 2, but 99 times in 100 I attack the one that is the most threat to me, a friendly, or to accomplish a mission.  I've never gone "C-Hog hunting" for lack of a better description though I know that some people have.

Foursome... right, now I know why I've never managed to pull it off, wrong terminology  

Soda

[Ripsnort]

I always go for Chogs when in main, since they are easiest to shoot down once I panic them into diving or bleeding E.

[Apache]

I guess I just don't see as many chogs as everyone else. I too, do not go looking for them nor do I target them as the biggest threat to me, that being the "George".

For example, lastnight at A22, in 1 sortie I shot down 1 chog, 2 P38's, 1 Spit9 and 1 George. Another sortie I shot down another chog and 1 P51. 2 hogs out of 7 contacts. BTW, I was in the Dhog.

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[Ripsnort]

WTG XO !!!  Sorry, was watching MNF with 'the boys' last night.

[Apache]

Aw shucks <blush> Just one of those nights when everything was clicking. 'Course I had my little <hehe, he hates when I say that> brother Comanche with me watchin' my back.

[Soda]

I tend to hit N1K's first also, I find them the largest threat while C-Hogs are only slightly less.

<Apache quote>:
For example, lastnight at A22, in 1 sortie I shot down 1 chog, 2 P38's, 1 Spit9 and 1 George. Another sortie I shot down another chog and 1 P51. 2 hogs out of 7 contacts. BTW, I was in the Dhog.
<end quote>.

Yeah, but in those 7 kills, 4 of them were of the planes I mentioned as most common, and the other 3 were in the second most common group. 2 C-Hogs, 1 Spit, 1 N1K, 1 P51, and 2 P38's.  I was over 22 last night also, saw the same thing, lots of those planes, almost nothing else.  I got 5 kills over 22 last night, 2 C-Hogs, 2 N1K, and 1 Spit(a Spit5 mind you).  This basically supports my theory.  Over 5 last night I ran into, total, 4 N1K, 3 C-Hog and a P47-30.  I did see a 190 but someone else shot it down and it spawned back as a Hog (not close enough to tell what variant but I'd bet I know).  Had a Lanc mission I flew to 5, got chased down by 3 N1K and killed.  It was like George'fest at 5 last night.

Soda

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Shut the hell up you whiner. Why dont you show mw some references and real figures that WW2 wasn't fought entirely my chogs, Nikis, and ostis? Ha!   I cant believe he attitide of some folks who refuse to acknowlege the simple fact that since 104 came out the use of nikis and chogs has skyrockted, and that its quite obvious that they have benifited more from the FM change than any other planes. Remember the c205? It was quite good as a turner before but now it cant turn as well anymore, so any of u chog cheerleaders can kiss my bellybutton if u say all planes benefited equally. Pyro, Hitech, YANKEE and all the good people running the company you cant become blind to this. I realize Im new here but the atmosphere in the MA now seems worse than ever before.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Apache]

<S> Soda,
I see what you are saying in terms of limited AC being used, however it is not limited to just the F4U1C. I haven't seen a P47D25 in a while as well. I did get an La5 the other night but they are few and far between. I saw alot of Zeke's at 22 lastnight but they were staying real low <I would have too>.

<S> Grunherz,
 

I cant believe he attitide of some folks who refuse to acknowlege the simple fact that since 104 came out the use of nikis and chogs has skyrockted, and that its quite obvious that they have benifited more from the FM change than any other planes.

Your data is from what source?


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[Soda]

I saw a P47 last night too and almost got an erection from the thought of fighting something "new".  Turned out that I shot it down while it wasn't looking, flying dead straight, climbing, and it was a new pilot.  Total rounds expended, less than 20 cannon rounds.  Talk about a downer..  

Soda

[AKDejaVu]

Ooooo... irrelevant stats time!

OK.. mine:

AKDejaVu has 6 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the P-51D.
AKDejaVu has 3 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Bf 109G-10.
AKDejaVu has 10 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the Spitfire Mk IX.
AKDejaVu has 3 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the B-17G.
AKDejaVu has 5 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the F4U-1C.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Bf 109G-6.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Bf 109G-2.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Bf 109F-4.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the B-26B.
AKDejaVu has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the F4U-1D.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the C.205.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Fw 190A-8.
AKDejaVu has 3 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the N1K2.
AKDejaVu has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the La-5FN.
AKDejaVu has 4 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the C-47A.
AKDejaVu has 2 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the SpitV.
AKDejaVu has 2 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the P-38L.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the C.202.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the Typhoon IB
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the fw190A-5.
AKDejaVu has 2 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Yak-9U.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the A6M5b.
AKDejaVu has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the P-47-D30.
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the P-47-D25.
AKDejaVu has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Ju 88.
AKDejaVu has 4 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1D against the Lancaster III.

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What do these stats mean?  Absolutely nothing.  Just wanted to show I could take up space too.

Anyone else notice that the LW pilots seem to be hiding these days?  If you can't win.. hide?

AKDejaVu