Norwegin Aces

[Hangtime]

Oh, I dunno, Rich.. got any examples of a WWII Norwegian version of Guam, Corregidor or Java Sea?

Right.

And Rich, I spent my time in the land of bad things.. I know what it's like to be downrange. I'm not taking a 'cheap shot'.. rather a well aimed kick at a revisionist.

You can certainly take issue with the presentation.. but the facts remain.

[Nilsen]

That's right, Nils.

No 'real' insight.

Just the Facts with supporting links.  Of course, it being the truth; with links, it's not quite what your used to, is it?

I know this may be above your head Hangtime but you should try to look at the numbers in perspective. Think _really_ hard and do some more research before you post the next time.   

[FLOTSOM]

i posted this in a different thread, but i figure this one could use it as well

http://www.nuav.net/ndWW2.html

read the history without the propaganda.

and a thought for those who were not there but would judge harshly the actions of others, just what do you think the outcome would be if in 1940 Germany had dumped a million soldiers fully mechanized and outfitted along with a navy and formidable air force on the east coast of America? do you really think that the military of America could have fought them of? doubt it very much.

Norway was not equipped to fight a military as advanced as the Germans in tactics and technology. the fact that they managed to hold out for the 2 months that they did is amazing.

seeing how you are so willing to cast disparaging judgments hangtime, what nationality are you? what is your heritage? where is the perfection in your history that allows you to be the judge of others?

did you bother to read any of the information found within the sight you yourself posted? the one thing it absolutely does is state that those Norwegians that volunteered to fight for the Germans saw extensive action in all theaters through to the end of the war. it says nothing about them retreating or surrendering or in any other way disgracing themselves.

that is the presentation

those are the facts that remain.

so your implication that the Norwegians are a people without the courage to fight is completely undermined and defeated within the very text and evidence that you would use to support your malicious and unfounded claims.

i by no means am what you would call a revisionist, (unless my want for people to know and understand historical facts and not the over blown propaganda passed around by the masses who are to lazy to bother to take the time to read for themselves and reach there own conclusion makes me a revisionist) nor have i any Norwegian ancestry that i am aware of, so my motives in this are clear and unbiased.

but i do believe that if you were not the person standing there, with the guns of your enemies pointed at your home and your family, then you have no right to make judgments about the decisions made by another who was in that situation with the lives of their families at stake.

FLOTSOM

[DiabloTX]

I know for a fact after watching Red Dawn that America would have kicked their cabbage-eating azzes back to the Rhine.

[BlauK]

A memorial in Finland... for Norwegian volunteers who fought in Winter War 

[Xasthur]

Give me Norway over America any day of the week.

[Nilsen]

Give me Norway over America any day of the week.

Not gonna give it away for free , but I would gladly trade a few square miles for a few square miles in a really warm part of Australia right now   

[Nilsen]

A memorial in Finland... for Norwegian volunteers who fought in Winter War 

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[Xasthur]

Not gonna give it away for free , but I would gladly trade a few square miles for a few square miles in a really warm part of Australia right now   

My philosophy on that issue is that there are only so many clothes that you can take off in order to get cool without being arrested. 

There is no limit to the amount of clothes you can put on.

Having said that, I do not fancy having to dig my car out of the snow just to drive to work, no do I fancy driving a Ford in icy conditions. It's bad enough in the wet, let alone ice.

Definitely a sunny-weather car.

[Angus]

Who cares, they surrendered like France did...

This has to be one of the lamest and equally arrogant posts EVER. A little history lesson is therefore necessary.
Some points:
- Norway had the population of  less that 1/20th of just Germany
- Norway was taken by surprize, but yet struggled longer than France.
- Norway fought on on many fronts none the less. There were Norwegian squadrons in the UK, and up to Iceland even.
- AFAIK Norway mustered one of or the largest merchant navy in the world, - which worked for the allies.
- The Norwegian resistance was one tough bunch and did many a job.
- Basically, Norwegian resistance and their stoutness tied up quite some German forces.
- German countermeasures were cruel, many Norwegians were execured or sent to the infamous nazi camps in Europe. Towns were also razed.

who cares ... 














heh.

[AKTazz]

Curlew,

I have a Norwegian book from my grandfather from WWII, that gives in great detail, pictures and written accounts of the occupation and finally the withdrawal from Norway. Unfortunately, it is written in Norwegian and I have had to extrapolate the information by looking at and deciphering the pictures. If you would like, I can scan some of the pics and captions and email them to you. Let me know...

[odiemus]

Seems to be a lot of Norwegian bashing going on lately, i myself have had the plaesure of knowing online through Aces high several from Norway, all solid guys. Now IMHO if we look at any countries past, they've all had shining moments and let us say tarnished ones as well. What is done is done, let it lay and go on to better things 

[Rich46yo]

Oh, I dunno, Rich.. got any examples of a WWII Norwegian version of Guam, Corregidor or Java Sea?

http://www.lawzone.com/half-nor/haukelid.htm Does that count? We beat the Germans to the bomb due to courageous Norwegians.

[FLOTSOM]

http://www.lawzone.com/half-nor/haukelid.htm Does that count? We beat the Germans to the bomb due to courageous Norwegians.

hey, now that's not funny!   

i was gonna mention this event in my post but decided i was gonna save it to counter any response he threw back out in regards to the Norwegians not continuing the fight against the Germans.

you stole my thunder Rich 



FLOTSOM

[Hangtime]

hey Flotsam.. nice appeal. My heart pumps peanut butter for 'em.

Again.. any Norwegian equivalents of Corregidor? Surrounded, no resupply; not even defending their homes; how long did those americans hold out? Why did they do that? What became of them? Any Norwegian Bataan's?

Fact: The King and the treasury bolted.. the military folded; the country was occupied without much of a fight. You'll argue that there's nothing else they could do.. yet Finland managed to throw back the Russians and the Germans. Three times.

Norway was no Finland, No Poland, No England. It was just another snack for the germans, who they seemed to have more in common with than the other allied nations that bled for them and restored for them their country after paying a much higher price in blood for it in than they did themselves.

No Crying. Poland was screwed. Norway was treated with kid gloves in comparison... before, during and after the war. They don't deserve anything more than the footnote in history that explains 'Quislings'.